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Hi all,

Maybe someone can point me in the right direction here:
Target shooting a Ruger GP100 4.2 with 357 factory loads at 25m. Windage not too bad, but elevation is all over the place, and not consistent at all. Less of an issue with 38 specials.
I'm fairly new to revolvers, more experienced with semis.

Any advice appreciated!
 
If your "elevation" is bouncing around, it could be that your brain is anticipating the heavier recoil of the faster round and trying to compensate, by pushing your hand forward a bit, right as you pull the shot - this usually drops your POI, somewhat. Try shooting your GP in DA and squeeze slowly, while concentrating on your sight picture. Don't try to "grab" the shot, when you think you have the bullseye lined up - just hold as close as you can and keep squeezing.
 
I was at the range yesterday with my GP-100 4,2" to adjust my new sights (Williams fire's).
I made targets with a piece of electrical tape on a 8x11 paper and made copies of it.
This permits to concentrate on only one aspect at the time.
Vertical for windage, so you don't care about elevation as long as the holes are in the black.
Then, the target is fixed horizontal for the elevation setting.
Once satisfied, I go for a crossed target once again made with electrical tape and copied.
 
Shoot at 10m and only move back as you become consistently proficient. Being new to revolvers just dont think you can point n click. The revolver takes a bit more of the finer points involved, especially in double action mode.
 
Keep shooting 38spl(in dbl-action) until you can get consistent groups. Once you figure it out you will find how accurate Revolvers can be vs Semis.....
 
Thank you for the great advice. I will be back at the range next week and will try to take it on board. May just work on elevation.

I have praticed the "blank recoil" and usually pull up (will have to work on that). The over compensating for heavier recoil and shooting low makes sense too. Maybe that is why my elevation is so inconsistent.

And two people sugesting that I practice DA first is the opposite to what I thought was the way to do it, but makes sense now ("don't grab the shot").

........so much to learn
 
Why at 25M? How good a shot are you? If at 15M you are inside an inch then you should expect more than you are getting at 25M. If you are not then go to 10 meters and work on trigger control and recoil management. I would stick to 38spl at 10 meters until you are confident enough to move to .357Mag. You can develop a flinch real quick and a flinch is like the yips in putting in golf. Once you got one you will have one for a very long time. Easier to avoid then to get rid of.

Take Care

Bob
 
Cheers Bob,
Why 25m? That is what I can shoot a semi reasonably well to. I guess I rushed through 10&15 to get where I was, but as others have pointed out, revolvers are a whole different beast. I don't think I have a flinch but I did notice the barel rising a bit on the "blank recoil" practice.
Maybe a trip back to basics is a good idea.
 
My point was at 25 meters you shoot a 12" of scattered holes. How do you know? You start anticipating the bang of a .357 mag and before you know it your missing the paper at 25 meters. It was suggested earlier have someone mix and match empties and loaded .357 mag and see how much of a jerk you have developed. You might be in for a surprise. The 357 mag out of a 4.2 inch gun will do interesting things to most anyone.

Take Care

Bob
 
I am getting old , but I don't like 357mag that much, practice with 38's.,some ranges are set up so you can't really pull targets in closer
 
Today went a lot better.
Backed up to 20m, mostly 357, some 38 and I have it down to under 7" with the occasional flyer. I know that doesn't sound great, but I can work with it. It is an OK start, and better than before.
Trying to shoot more intuitively, in DA, not "grabbing the shot".
Thank you all for the great advice, I'll keep working on it.
 
It sounds like you are "heeling" the pistol in an attempt to control the recoil. That means you are pushing down on the backstrap of the revolver as opposed to pushing down the front of the gun ( dipping ) which you might also be doing. So, vertical stringing.

Shooting accurately is not rocket surgery but it does take attention to detail. If you can master the basics with a semi, then it should be no different with a revolver. Muzzle control, sight picture and trigger management. Once you master all three at the same time you will be a master shooter. Simple right ?
 
MustangFrank said:
It sounds like you are "heeling" the pistol in an attempt to control the recoil. That means you are pushing down on the backstrap of the revolver as opposed to pushing down the front of the gun ( dipping ) which you might also be doing. So, vertical stringing.

Shooting accurately is not rocket surgery but it does take attention to detail. If you can master the basics with a semi, then it should be no different with a revolver. Muzzle control, sight picture and trigger management. Once you master all three at the same time you will be a master shooter. Simple right ?
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Ah the wisdom of the Orient. May God be with you Grasshopper, live long and prosper.

Take Care

Bob
 
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