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Garand reality check

With one exception there is a bunch of leg pulling going on with the Garand ads in the EE right now. The exception is the Beretta based unit with a VAR barrel that the owner seems serious about selling for $1950 plus shipping.

If you consider this offering as a collectable, it's value is no where near what is being asked. It is a non-original "bitster" put together on a Beretta receiver. Other than the receiver I wonder how many other "PB" marked Beretta parts it has. The stock is a modern day Boyds replacement, the barrel is a replacement Danish VAR, the rear sight unit includes a mix of a wartime lock bar unit and a modern National Match base and aperture, and the op rod appears to be a wartime Springfield with the rounded side profile. A non-matching unit like this has no collector appeal or additional collector value.

A collectable Beretta will include all Beretta parts which can be identified by the "PB" marking on virtually every part, except the springs. An all Beretta Garand with 90-95% original finish on wood and metal and a sound barrel gauging less than .302 at muzzle and .303 on the throat gauge should fetch maybe $1200-$1300 tops. It is virtually impossible to find a totally correct Beretta or Breda Garand as original bolts and stocks were marked with the rifle's s/n. You can find Beretta and Breda stocks and bolts, but they will invariably bear a different s/n.

If this piece is considered as a shooter only, which it is, I see no reason to value it over $1000. The Danish VAR barrels tend to shoot well, and most I have seen exhibit very little wear due to the fact that they were later replacements and were obviously lightly used. National Match sight parts or operating rods don't necessarily make a rifle shoot better. It's how the whole package is put together. If the barrel gauges less than .302 in the throat and .301 at the muzzle it is a good prospect for a shooter. There is nothing magical about who installed the barrel. I've re-barreled more than 2 dozen Garands and it isn't rocket science. A barrel must be installed top dead center with correct headspace on the bolt. Nothing more can be said. The receiver on this rifle needs to be re-parkerized to improve the cosmetics.

If one is prepared to pay $2000 for a non-sniper Garand I would expect the following category of rifle to command such a premium price:
1. An original wartime Winchester or Springfield with all original, correct revision parts and un-refinished parts exhibiting 95% original finish on wood and metal with fully intact cartouches on the stock. Original barrel in sound, un-pitted condition with a throat reading of .303 or better and a muzzle reading of .301 or better. OR
2. An authenticated US arsenal built National Match rifle with all unique mods and parts and in 95% overall condition.

Let's watch and see what happens with this one.:popCorn:
 
There is another M1 just up for sale on the EE with a ridiculous price ....either they have come in late on the joking around or these sarcastic ads have some goofs actually thinking its time to drop their rifles while prices are up.

If this keeps up, Garands will be trading higher than gold :)
 
Cant wait to see if the SK M1s come to Canada and if they go for $400 "i'll just laugh"

don't want to hijack, but i keep thinking this would be a reasonable price. internet/newspaper reports suggest Korea wanted $150-200 WHOLESALE, so one would think 100% markup for transporting, getting them registered, etc would be acceptable profit to the sellers.

and good for the customer too.

now if only they'd release a warehouse of 1911a1's too.
 
I doubt that we will ever see surplus Garands or Carbines from Korea hit our shores. The UN, now with a Korean as Secretary General, has made and is making a major effort on international small arms limitations and demilitarization/destruction. Korea has a strong economy and doesn't need the revenue which might be generated from surplus small arms sales. In the overall I think they would prefer to enjoy the international attaboys and limelight to be had from crunching several hundred thousand surplus weapons.
 
I doubt that we will ever see surplus Garands or Carbines from Korea hit our shores. The UN, now with a Korean as Secretary General, has made and is making a major effort on international small arms limitations and demilitarization/destruction. Korea has a strong economy and doesn't need the revenue which might be generated from surplus small arms sales. In the overall I think they would prefer to enjoy the international attaboys and limelight to be had from crunching several hundred thousand surplus weapons.

interesting... suggest the sale, then crush them for good PR (and possibly some $$ from the U.S., in some indirect way)
 
mixer?

Many Garands, just like many No4 Lee Enfields were mixed in the factories they were produced in. They were designed to mix and match parts on purpose.

It wasn't at all unusual for producers to ship excess parts to assembly points in other plants where they were most needed at the moment.

I'm not saying rifles weren't completely matching but it certainly wasn't unusual for them not to be.

Garand M1 C and D rifles are fine examples of that. It wasn't unusual for rifles to have mixed wood types either.
 
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