Where are all the side by sides?

great looking Fox - well done!

I've been searching for a nice old SxS in 28 gauge and can't seem to find anything (in Canada); thus I will likely have to buy new... some decent small scale guns still made in Spain & Italy for prices ranging from high to outrageous.

On the topic of Baikal.. I've been shooting steel out of my Baikal SxS 12 gauge for 20 years without issue... of course, I had the barrels chopped from 28 to 26 inch, so no choke anymore!
 
badgreenbird said:
great looking Fox - well done!

I've been searching for a nice old SxS in 28 gauge and can't seem to find anything (in Canada); thus I will likely have to buy new... some decent small scale guns still made in Spain & Italy for prices ranging from high to outrageous.

On the topic of Baikal.. I've been shooting steel out of my Baikal SxS 12 gauge for 20 years without issue... of course, I had the barrels chopped from 28 to 26 inch, so no choke anymore!
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Yes, 28 gauge in an older sxs is very hard to find. I managed to find 2 vintage 28 gauge hammer guns. They are not high end guns but they are okay just the same. They handle and point like Harry Potter's wand, (not that I've ever handled Harry Potter's wand). I also managed to obtain 30 boxes of Winchester upland #6 shot at a very good price.

I also shot steel through an older Baikal sxs one fall and had no problems.
 
gunsaholic said:
Why is your Baikal for lead shot only?
As to why there aren't more "new" sxs's made there are several reasons. The cost to make a quality double is labour intensive. If you want one, you can order one. There are of course "budget priced" sxs's but it depends on what level of quality you want. Plus, right now the sxs market is not where the money is to be made. Nowadays young shooters want the latest and greatest in plastic guns with cammo attire. Many want semi-autos with 3 1/2" chambers and guns that can hold more than 2 shells. Many also want zombie killer guns that can be tricked out with every after market gadget available. Not too many young shooters want a tried and true double barrel that only holds 2 shells. The market is small.
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102% true!
 
Guess it depends on what you want to do with it. Seeing as you are asking about steel, that involves waterfowl. For that, at a budget, there are various brands of Turkish made guns around these days, Yildiz, CZ will likely be the most common ones to see around, 8-1200.00. Then the price jumps to the higher end Turkish, the low end Italian and Spanish guns, FAIR, Fabarm, AYA at 2500-4000.00. Webley and Scott are marketing Turkish guns now, they are in the 3000.00 range. You want Beretta or Merkel and Chapuis, they start at just under the 5000.00 range. You can get some of those in the 3-4 range in used guns.
Most of them are still being built with fixed chokes, the Fair, the Fabarm , the Webley, the Beretta 471 & 486 have 3" and interchangeable chokes. Most of the used guns around seem to be open choked, Skeet & IC, or Full and IC, most new ones are brought in IC/Mod. , 2-3/4". Have to be careful of some older guns having been rechambered for 2-3/4 from 2-1/2. I suspect the bulk of the ones up here have never been reproofed for the 2-3/4. Even if they have, most don't have reproof for steel shot loads anyway.
If you want one for all round use, CZ and Yildiz are the most economic, after that you can do a lot of picking and choosing and fussing over what you can get, for what you consider a reasonable investment.
 
fugawi said:
Just bought a Brno SxS. (thanks gunsaholic and weimajack)
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Did you really buy a Brno. Just like everything else in the gun and optics world, it is very incestuous. Most "Brno" are actually Huglu, a turkish gun...but they are quality. Just a Brno in the same sense that many small cars that have Chevy or Ford nameplates are actually Japanese.
 
fugawi said:
Just bought a Brno SxS. (thanks gunsaholic and weimajack)
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Did you really buy a Brno. Just like everything else in the gun and optics world, it is very incestuous. Most "Brno" are actually Huglu, a turkish gun...but they are quality. Just a Brno in the same sense that many small cars that have Chevy or Ford nameplates are actually Japanese.
 
nowarningshot said:
Did you really buy a Brno. Just like everything else in the gun and optics world, it is very incestuous. Most "Brno" are actually Huglu, a turkish gun...but they are quality. Just a Brno in the same sense that many small cars that have Chevy or Ford nameplates are actually Japanese.
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No, the Brno shotguns we are talking about are the original Brno's that were made in Czechoslovakia. They were all hand fit guns and have not been made since I believe the late 80's. You are talking the newer CZ shotguns. There is a big difference in the quality plus the Brno's are true sidelock guns.
 
I have a Boito A680. I bought it (used) because it was a cheap way to try a side by side. I like it. I seem to shoot it a bit better than the pump-action guns I've used (Remington 870 and Mossberg 535.) I'm sure I'd like a nicer example of the old-fashioned double, but pump-action guns are cheaper to make and work well enough for most of us, so they dominate the market.
 
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