Where are those Turkeys?

2 3/4" vs 3" vs 3 1/2" 12 guage turkey shot?????

Here's how I see it....12 guage is 12 guage period (well except for over bore barrels) The four components to consider in comparison of shot pattern and string are barrel diameter, choke constriction & design, shell design and shot type. All things above being equal, the 2 3/4" should have the same initial effectiveness that either of the other two would have with the exception that the shot string would be smaller in length delivering less pellets in the focused POI. So in a situation where you are shooting farther than your shot type and size carries suitable energy to down that bird quickly your better off with increasing the number of pellets on target...hense the 3" and 3.5". However with the new premium heavier than lead shot in the smaller size pellets (#5 & #6) you get the benefit of maximizing your pellet count and increasing delivered energy at extended ranges (+35 yards) over copper plated lead shot. This new shot is designed to be softer than barrel steel and chokes so it is compatiable with for lead only turkey chokes ensuring tight patterns. A full and dense pattern from a 2 3/4" carring sufficent energy will kill a turkey at reasonable ranges just as dead as a 3.5" will because the pellets in the front of the shot string are completing the job that once had to be done by increasing the string size due to steel shot ineffectiveness. The 10 guage does offer some pattern size increases over the 12 guage however its physical weight makes it a brute in the woods. Lets face it, the 3.5" 12 guage was developed due to the ban of lead shot for waterfowl hunting and the reduced effectiveness of the next most cost efficent shot...STEEL. For upland game hunting (Turkey) lead shot is not banned and has recently been improved on with the heavy shot. So really no need for the 3.5" unless overkill is what you desire.
 
I nominate Chilly Willy for this year's Nobel Prize in Physics! ;-)

But I bet BIGREDD will come back with a densely written treatise on why the 3.5" shells, because of their superior gevirdilator effect, should hypereffectively meld the sneedwerken, thereby proving categorically that size does matter. Or whatever, I don't understand any of this stuff.......

get the popcorn, guys!!!! :)

Doug
 
Come on now fellas, its not rocket science....shot goes through funnel...funnel makes stream longer as it focuses it through a smaller opening hense increasing its stream and reducing its width while slowing and momentarily pulling the lighter wad from the shot string.
 
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This one is for Doug... apologies in advance to my good friend Chilly;)

Chilly Willy's disertation on shotshells for Turkeys was not only humorous it was competely without merit.:eek:

for example...
The four components to consider in comparison of shot pattern and string are barrel diameter, choke constriction & design, shell design and shot type.
When comparing patterns the only real comparison is the number of hits in the kill zone. Bigger Cartridge + More Shot = More Hits in the Kill Zone. Period!:(

heres a gem...
All things above being equal, the 2 3/4" should have the same initial effectiveness that either of the other two would have with the exception that the shot string would be smaller in length delivering less pellets in the focused POI
How in hells creation could it have the same "initial effectiveness" if it is delivering less shot and less energy. And what exactly is "initial effectiveness" is there a "secondary effectiveness" or a "preliminary effectiveness" maybe a "post secondary after the fact in addition to effectiveness"...:confused:

here he contradicts himself...
So in a situation where you are shooting farther than your shot type and size carries suitable energy to down that bird quickly your better off with increasing the number of pellets on target...hense the 3" and 3.5".

really reaching with this one...
This new shot is designed to be softer than barrel steel and chokes so it is compatiable with for lead only turkey chokes ensuring tight patterns. A full and dense pattern from a 2 3/4" carring sufficent energy will kill a turkey at reasonable ranges just as dead as a 3.5" will because the pellets in the front of the shot string are completing the job that once had to be done by increasing the string size due to steel shot ineffectiveness.
Where are we going here... are we to believe that the new shot is more effective in 2 3/4 inch shells therefore eliminating the advantages of 3 or 3 1/2's.
Maybe you wish us to believe that the pellets in the front are the only ones really necessary to kill turkeys... then how come turkey loads don't have only one or two pellets... hey lets use slugs!
String length and Pattern consistency go hand in hand and you cannot dismiss String length to justify using less shot... even in Weird World.:rolleyes:

this is the only factual statement in the post...
Lets face it, the 3.5" 12 guage was developed due to the ban of lead shot for waterfowl hunting and the reduced effectiveness of the next most cost efficent shot...STEEL.
Hey I had to throw him a bone... I am brutalizing him here:p

and finally...
So really no need for the 3.5" unless overkill is what you desire
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This statement qualifies Chilly for a permanent seat on the special bus... as well as a lifetime subscription to Darwin Awards Monthly. "Overkill"...... I much prefer to "Underkill" my Turkeys with 2 3/4 inch shells.:redface:

Chilly you are a heck of a Turkey Caller and an Excellent Shot... of this there is no doubt... but leave the technical explanations to the normal kids.:p
Your friend Red.;)
 
I KNEW you couldn't resist, BIGREDD.........

;-)

And in this corner, the Challenger, bruised and bloodied but not bowed, comes out swinging............(you tell him, CW!)

Doug

(SD)
 
This could be a comedy site somedays. You guys are hilarious! Easily some of the coolest people I've never met.

Thank God for the WWW.

Smiling, if not outright belly laughing,

David
 
Gee Redd, I guess Doug was absolutely correct in his prediction of your inablity to consider that your perception of reality might actually be just that, a perception. I really don't see why you need to keep attempting to impress people with your aggressive attempts to establish your superiority, its clear you are your biggest fan.

Now if you spent as much time reading what has been written and less time picking it apart in febal quotation and adding your concept of reality which you claim is full of merit, you might actual understand what was expressed with out the heap load of sarcasm and insults.

So for those who buy into Redd's theory that the new "heavier than lead" shot introduced by Winchester, Federal, Remington and Kent is not superior in delivering more energy when compaired to the identical load of copper plated lead, I'd love to hear why not.

My statement : "A full and dense pattern from a 2 3/4" carring sufficent energy will kill a turkey at reasonable ranges just as dead as a 3.5" will because the pellets in the front of the shot string are completing the job that once had to be done by increasing the string size due to steel shot ineffectiveness."

And although Redd gave this rebutal: "Where are we going here... are we to believe that the new shot is more effective in 2 3/4 inch shells therefore eliminating the advantages of 3 or 3 1/2's.
Maybe you wish us to believe that the pellets in the front are the only ones really necessary to kill turkeys... then how come turkey loads don't have only one or two pellets... hey lets use slugs!
String length and Pattern consistency go hand in hand and you cannot dismiss String length to justify using less shot... even in Weird World." He continues to contradict himself with this:
"this is the only factual statement in the post...
Quote:
Lets face it, the 3.5" 12 guage was developed due to the ban of lead shot for waterfowl hunting and the reduced effectiveness of the next most cost efficent shot...STEEL."

I appreciate your world is compressed into the Cavin swamp Redd, however explinations of lumpy air aren't gonna cut it....more like lumpy logic!

Here's the kicker folks, and its a doosy "but leave the technical explanations to the normal kids. " Come on Redd!....who are you foolin' here? You ...a normal kid!!! You must dress up at night and video tape yourself running around the yard in your Tikkaman outfit, just so you, your biggest fan can watch in amazement.
 
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oh boy, that one should get at least a page of interesting reading slingshotting back.........

Pass the chips, please! ;-)

Doug
 
Who's your turkey, momma??

Ohmigod...We'd all be absolute rocket scientists if we learned at this blistering pace those many years ago when we were back in school!

What happens when CW and Redd hunt turkeys together??
 
When those two hunt together, Chilly calls them and Redd shoots them. Very dead, with his frigging big cannon loaded with 12 inch cartridges filled with deuterium-coated depleted uranium shot, buffered with tungsten carbide saw blade filings.

Doug
 
fogducker said:
what do you,s think of a 2 3/4 inch shells for turkeys?this will be my first year at trying to get one:D ..i will be open ears on this thread

Use Winchester Supreme 2&3/4 #4 Turkey Loads. (1&5/8 oz)

I shoot with both a Remmy WM 30" full choke and a Lanber 26" full and modified.

I've dumped turkeys up to 50-55 yards without a problem. Beauty patterns and tons of hittin power!!:D
 
Back to 44fordy,

I wouldn't be preaching the effectiveness of any shotgun no matter the size of the chamber out past 45 yards. Even with the new "heavier than lead" shot I would not even consider pulling the trigger on a turkey out past 40 yards! Why...because I take my time and call them in close enough to ensure a clean quick kill and not have gobblers run off just to die and not be recovered. Heck, Redd shot a jake I called into him @ what Redd.....7 yards was it??? Its a long season, with longer hunting hours now....enjoy it by challenging yourself to talk turkey.

I would love to see your 50 yard target from a 30" full choke 2 3/4" 12G. You show me yours @ 50 yards and I'll show you mine @ 40 yards...deal?>
 
BIGREDD said:
And Darryl usually forgets to do up the strap on his helmet so it falls off when he does the spastic shufflle.

Well, tell joan to cook more Tater Tots next time:D ...


BIGREDD said:
Chilly only makes fun of Darryl cuz he can't find a helmet to fit his humongous head.
Or a sweater to fit his gorilla arms. Have you ever seen a guy who can fit a 22 inch LOP on a rifle? Chilly can:D The poor guys knuckles are allways bleeding in the summer, and frostbit in the winter.:D

BIGREDD said:
Chilly Willy wears a Plastic Drool Board and he carries his calls in a Spider-Man lunch pail. :p
Hey, spiderman lunchpail is cooler than your strawberry shortcake Thermos you cant leave the house without. :D


K, Im bringing the gloves this weekend, and no you cant borrow my headgear:D
Cant you guys just get along?
 
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