Anyway, as far as Dillon presses are concerned, I bought my entire setup NIB from a single dealer on eBay in the US for about 30% less than ordering directly from Dillon. He made me a package deal that included the XL 650, the case feeder, die and caliber conversion sets, extra primer tubes, the primer dish metal thingy, the powder check system, a spare parts kit, and a bunch of other stuff I can't even remember right now. HI also didn't have to pay GST or PST or HST at the post office when I picked it up. It was sent USPS Priority and arrived in about 5 days in one huge box.