Where to find non-toxic shot for my 28 gauge

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Looking for non-toxic shot to load for my 28 gauge (CZ Bobwhite). The gun's rated for steel shot, so Hevi-Shot's OK with the more open chokes, but I'd prefer something like a tungsten-polymer matrix that will behave like lead in the bore. Do any companies offer tungsten-polymer matrix bulk as loading components?
 
Fassteel said:
Ardent do you want to load the ammo you self? Or do you want a ready to go factory offering? FS
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Prefer to load myself if I have the choice, but I'll take anything non-tox I can get my hands on for this fall's upland season. I know a good friend used to load bismuth for his 28, but he can't find it bulk anymore. The tungsten-polymer matrix stuff seems ideal, if I can find it as loading components, or heck even as loaded shells in 28.
 
I have shot a few 28s they are great! I woul not hesitate at all to shoot ducks with one.
http://www.bilozir.net/

Kent does not offer their TM in reloading supplies and I think that might be your only oprion for reloading.

Between my father and I we have about 25 boxes of 28G lead but no guns to shoot em in. Too bad we can't mail them!
 
Some months ago I picked up a few boxes of 28ga bismuth (Winchester brand made in England) from Le baron Markham store.....believe they still had around 10 boxes of #4 (5/8 oz) left when I was there again about 2 weeks ago. Bit pricey though @ $34/box :)

Fassteel said:
Ardent do you want to load the ammo you self? Or do you want a ready to go factory offering? FS
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Fassteel - please PM me with an idea on price+shipping i.e. should your store have any #6 28ga (likely Gamebore?) 2 3/4 inch preferrably or 2 1/2 inch. Thanks,
 
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I couldn't find any bismuth last year to load for my vintage doubles. So I cleaned P&D Enterprises out of their 3.5" 2 1/8 oz Kent tungsten matrix shells. Bismuth was so high in price that when I tear them down I'm paying about the same pound for pound for the TM as I would have for the bismuth if Wil had it in stock. Plus I have new hulls to cut down to 2 1/2" or 2 3/4 to reload with. I still haven't decided if I'll reduce the powder that came in the shells and load some trap shells for use in my modern trap gun. I don't like loading without knowing the pressures, but if I reduce the max dram load in the cut down 3 1/2" by 1/3 and use a wad that produces low pressures in that hull I wouldn't expect it to be a problem in my Beretta O/U. I haven't quite worked up the nerve to try it. What do you guys think?
 
North of 58 said:
I couldn't find any bismuth last year to load for my vintage doubles. So I cleaned P&D Enterprises out of their 3.5" 2 1/8 oz Kent tungsten matrix shells. Bismuth was so high in price that when I tear them down I'm paying about the same pound for pound for the TM as I would have for the bismuth if Wil had it in stock. Plus I have new hulls to cut down to 2 1/2" or 2 3/4 to reload with. I still haven't decided if I'll reduce the powder that came in the shells and load some trap shells for use in my modern trap gun. I don't like loading without knowing the pressures, but if I reduce the max dram load in the cut down 3 1/2" by 1/3 and use a wad that produces low pressures in that hull I wouldn't expect it to be a problem in my Beretta O/U. I haven't quite worked up the nerve to try it. What do you guys think?
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I just might follow your lead on breaking down Kent TM 3.5" 12g for the shot.
 
North of 58 said:
I couldn't find any bismuth last year to load for my vintage doubles. So I cleaned P&D Enterprises out of their 3.5" 2 1/8 oz Kent tungsten matrix shells. Bismuth was so high in price that when I tear them down I'm paying about the same pound for pound for the TM as I would have for the bismuth if Wil had it in stock. Plus I have new hulls to cut down to 2 1/2" or 2 3/4 to reload with. I still haven't decided if I'll reduce the powder that came in the shells and load some trap shells for use in my modern trap gun. I don't like loading without knowing the pressures, but if I reduce the max dram load in the cut down 3 1/2" by 1/3 and use a wad that produces low pressures in that hull I wouldn't expect it to be a problem in my Beretta O/U. I haven't quite worked up the nerve to try it. What do you guys think?
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That's a brilliant way to get Tungsten Matrix shot and one that I wouldn't have thought of.

But I know a good idea when I steal it. :D

As for what's left over I don't like loading without knowing the pressures either. It would be tempting though to cut down the 3-1/2" shells to a 2-3/4" length and leave a reduced charge of TM in them for use in other guns.
 
bill c68 said:
I have shot a few 28s they are great! I woul not hesitate at all to shoot ducks with one.
http://www.bilozir.net/

Kent does not offer their TM in reloading supplies and I think that might be your only oprion for reloading.
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I to have used the 28 gauge on ducks.The 28 gauge works well as long as you do not try to over extend its range by taking extra long shots.For duck hunting the 28 gauge can be improved on a lot by handloading.
 
Anyone have a suggestion for protecting the bore should I choose to use Hevi-Shot? Full coverage heavy wads aren't available in 28, so I was considering putting a ring of electrical tape inside the wad, around the shot, or something to that effect. I will ONLY be using the loads in my Bobwhite, which CZ rates for steel shot.
 
Ardent said:
Anyone have a suggestion for protecting the bore should I choose to use Hevi-Shot? Full coverage heavy wads aren't available in 28, so I was considering putting a ring of electrical tape inside the wad, around the shot, or something to that effect. I will ONLY be using the loads in my Bobwhite, which CZ rates for steel shot.
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Ask Will about the Mylar as well , he carries all that stuff....
Cat
 
I should have included a few things in my first post on tearing down the Kent TM shells. When I bought the 3 1/2" shells they were still priced at the previous year's price. $31 per 10 shell box. I'm not sure what the current prices are or how economical it would be now, but I have enough 2, 4, and 5 shot to last for awhile. They also have buffer in them for use in the new loads. If I reload the cut down hulls with the Kent powder I'll just reload them with lead for trap. The reduced pressure TM shells will be from scratch with components I know the pressures of for use on waterfowl with my vintage guns. From the feedback I've received on questions posted on other forums most people think using the data for lead when reloading TM shot would be fine.
 
Ballistic Products has a new 28 gauge handloading booklet out.In it there are three loads for steel shot and two loads for Hevi-Shot.
 
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