Where to get a 50 bmg?
- Thread starter HGI
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Mind if I ask a rough price (and do they come in black for those of us not lucky enough to live out there)?
I ordered it with 2 mags so my bill came to about $9400 tax in, to my door but that was including bipod and the 2 mags. If you need it in black, you'll have to talk to Ross. I just saw on another thread, another Calgarian just ordered one which is good to see. I couldn't be more happy with mine and I know he will also.
In all honesty, I can't call that a 50cal rifle. There's no support for the chamber and barrel, the stock is a straight piece of aluminum. It seriously looks unfinished; they even forgot to install a cheek rest!!! What the hell??? It's as if they got 65% of the way into the build and decided to sell them for a huge profit. I don't agree with this type of business practice
- Location
- Edmonton mostly
When the original pictures for the Canstar 50's came out they were shown in laminate wood stocks and I was intrigued. This aluminium stick looks horrid. Still be interested in knowing how they shoot though... Restocking a rifle is always an option.
- Location
- calgary alberta
The original photo on the site looked EXACTLY like a gun I sold to a fellow in Ontario.
The bolt handle was a dead give away.
- Location
- Edmonton mostly
That is unfortunate they would skew initial perceptions like that, left me with a bit of a sour taste and I was only entertaining the idea. I always have a good look at the 50's at the ATRS stand at the Calgary Easter gun show and drool. The work that goes in to them is amazing. Once I make a house down-payment, I will need another reason to stay at home reloading rather than hitting the bar on weekends...
- Location
- calgary alberta
Just to set the facts straight, the laminated stock version we used to make sold for $5500.00 NOT the $6500.00 you are throwing around. Also we use Lilja barrels, which are not cheap or at all questionable for quality. The aluminum chassis version that had adjustable butt and cheek, bipod and built in ACD sold for $6500.00. We built the last 1 of those 4 years ago
PLEASE keep the facts straight.
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I would have to agree with the price for the Canstar being high for what you get. I can't imagine shooting that thing. No cheek rest? Free float barrel-can't argue that. Similar to the HS50 that way. I would like to see how the barrel assembly is mounted to the lower frame. My HS50 would rattle it's tiny bolts after about 50 rounds even with blue loc-tite until I modified it entirely. Now it's solid!
I would save my money and wait for a good used one for the right price or buy a rifle that I would be happy with. I spent $5300 for my HS50 then modified it to my liking for a price. I should have saved up some more coin to buy a PGW with an ATRS gill brake. I really like the PGW and I hope that I can get mine before Christmas. Hint hint!!!!
I would save my money and wait for a good used one for the right price or buy a rifle that I would be happy with. I spent $5300 for my HS50 then modified it to my liking for a price. I should have saved up some more coin to buy a PGW with an ATRS gill brake. I really like the PGW and I hope that I can get mine before Christmas. Hint hint!!!!
I was always referring to the canstar, east ridge, and ATRS all in the aluminium chassis was I not?? I thought that's what we are comparing here not the laminate. The $6500 dollar's i'm throwing around is in fact the aluminium chassis rifle you have listed for sale used rite now on ur website correct?? The action is the same as the east ridge guns rite? Some of the ones you sold even said east ridge guns on the stock rite? I don't know what you used for an aluminum chassis the whole time you made this rifle but if it was not an east ridge like the first ones its a copy of it rite? The east ridge stock currently with there bi-pod, adjustable butt and cheek sell for $370 rite??
So I would have my facts straight when i say you can get the ATRS copy cat of the east ridge rifle with a 800 dollar Lilja barrel used for $6500 or you can get the Canstart version of the east ridge with there own custom made barrel new for $3,000 rite?
This reply might be long winded but the record must be set straight.
I'm not simply just a comsumer like yourself. I helped manufacturer a lot of the 50s that were sold at ATRS so when I make a comment like I did, I'm not just slagging someone elses product, my comments come from paying close attention to every detail while making sure the quality control of the product going out to the customer was nothing short of what I would consider for my own collection!! PERIOD. No exceptions.
The alluminum chassis 50cal you've seen on the ATRS website is a used gun. I know that owner and he set the price. RIck has little to no control over what one of his long time customers wants to price his gun at, especially when the customer has spent LOTS of money at his store and is a really GOOD client. So unfortunately it's hard to compare the two guns. With used equipment, I've learnt in other business as well over the years, it's not so much a matter of the price you put on it as how much you're willing to accept selling it for. From my dealings with Rick at ATRS, he's always followed a keep it simply stupid way of pricing is product and he isn't living in a huge mansion jetsetting to far off places all the time so that should tell you something about the way he does business. Are there deals to be found from guys that don't have a storefront with bills, stock on the shelves, employees R & D'ing new products....Yes of course there are. Garage sales and kijiji are full of that. Do those people increase the access to new guns we're able to take advantage of, no.
Regarding the free floated barrel comment, Every ATRS 50 with it's HEAVY barrel was free floated but the first 4-5" where the chamber is was always bedded. A consumer wouldn't notice something like that because he wasn't the one making sure the bedding was perfect. It's tough sometimes building up enough around the barrel on an alluminum chassis to insure the bedding compound stays where you want it to.
When you only have 4" of action bolted down to hold a 27" of barrel plus another 6" of steel muzzle brake, you're going to have barrel whip!!! A consumer wouldn't realize this because he's never tested it. We did. You want that barrel ridged and if the action length isn't proportionate to the amount of steel you have dangling out infront of it, things are going to get interesting. If you grabbed the barrel in that picture from Canstar and tried closing the gap between it and the stock you'd soon see. Now you're probably thinging, "well I can move my 30-06 barrel around in my plastic stock, what gives??" Tell me something, what exactly is moving and where is it moving??
human hand pressure on a sporter barrel with a plastic stock or fiberglass stock vs a 1 1/4" barrel and bar stock alluminum. You're not bending the barrel and you're not bending the alluminum so where is the flex happening and at what point? These are all things taken into consideration and dealt with long before the gun goes on the shelf. There's a reason why the PGW LRT-3 rifle is such a good rifle and though it has something to do with the chassis, it also has a lot to do with the way the gun was built and I can say the same about the ATRS 50s as well.
Go ahead and buy the Canstar 50cal and when something happens or you can't get it to shoot properly, pay whatever it takes to ship the gun back to wherever you bought it so the issues can be addressed. You wanna talk about cost to the shooter. You certainly didn't pay for it on the front but you'll more then make up for it on the back end with frustration and time spent NOT shooting it while there are other guns out there you can buy that you won't have issues with.
Personally I'd far rather buy something that cost a bit more and had local support with then something I have to ship away to get fixed. I've shipped 50s to customers and it's a complete pain in ass!!! The canstar 50 is "aprox. 53.5", that box will have to be easily 60" long to protect it in shipping, probably longer.
Masic's HS-50 was a lot of work. To make it rigid wasn't as simple as adding a bolt are two. A custom rail had to be made with MOA built in. He came up with the stock design and had it professionally cut the way he wanted it, Thank God!! but for the gun to perform the way it does now as appose to the way it did took work.
The brake design on the Canstar 50 will show anyone that shoots it why we R & D'd and built the muzzle brake we did for the 50s and every gun after that. Guys that have shot brakes like what is on the HS-50 and other guns and then go over to shooting an ATRS brake notice a night and day difference for good reason. You're pulling the trigger on a small canon and the last thing you want is to be kicked in the face as the gases leave the muzzle, worse yet slammed in the face as all of gases from the gun are directed right back to you behind the gun along with all of the grass and rock that have been kicked up along the way.
If you're still wondering what the difference is, have a look at the whole gun at ATRS and I'm sure Rick or Dustin will explain it in greater detail yet.
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- calgary alberta
Aaaah Maybe just maybe, CANSTAR
I think there are some out there but because the upper isn't the serialized part and the lower is, the 50 attached to the lower would then be a restricted firearm. I know it doesn't make a lot of sense but what ATRS created and what the firearms center classified it as makes even less sense. LOL
ATRS built a custom lower that would fit a Ferret 50cal upper but altered the upper so it couldn't fit an AR lower afterwards unless someone altered it back, which would be illegal based on what the gun was designed and certified as. That sounded complicated and it was. You'll have to ask Rick if he still has the gun. Funny Story
ATRS built a custom lower that would fit a Ferret 50cal upper but altered the upper so it couldn't fit an AR lower afterwards unless someone altered it back, which would be illegal based on what the gun was designed and certified as. That sounded complicated and it was. You'll have to ask Rick if he still has the gun. Funny Story
- Location
- Edmonton mostly
Less funny, more of, a tale of exactly how dumb the people classifying our guns are...
