Which ammo to choose?
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There are many types of ammo and purpose for the ammo. If you really don't care and just want "the best bang for the buck", buy the cheapest you can find.
All guns ( even within the same brand) have their favorite load ( brand, type of projectile, weight, primer, powder, even casing) so it's impossible to offer a suggestion to your question. Barrel length and twist, bedding etc also affect accuracy. You have to find the answer for yourself, be it factory ammo or handloading.
All guns ( even within the same brand) have their favorite load ( brand, type of projectile, weight, primer, powder, even casing) so it's impossible to offer a suggestion to your question. Barrel length and twist, bedding etc also affect accuracy. You have to find the answer for yourself, be it factory ammo or handloading.
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Generally, the longest and straightest rounds are bullets flying at the highest speed possible for that chambering from a longish barrel with the correct rifling twist. But that is a generality. Your question is too broad to make sense. There are no absolutes with guns. Barrel length, twist, type of ammo, temperature, elevation, humidity wind etc etc all have an effect on the straightest and the longest.
Again, that depends if you want to connect with "paper" on the other end or a game animal.
The "fastest" ammo, all else being equal, will fly the straightest for the longest duration "compared to the exact same round flying slower". So in the case of your 223 if you find two different brands of 45 grain JHP's, the one with higher velocity will fly "straighter/longer".
So "generally" lighter ammo for the caliber will be faster, fly straighter so in the case of your 30.06, a 110 or 120 grain bullet will fly straighter further than say a 180 grain, but if you are shooting a moose you are better off shooting the 180 grain than the 110 or 120.
You are asking a very very complex question that has literally thousands of variables and looking for a "tweet length" answer and you just won't get one.
You need to ask super specific questions such as:
I'm hunting groundhogs with my 223. I shoot no further than 125 yards, what are good rounds for this purpose.
OR - I'm shooting targets at 300 yards with my 308 and am looking for an extremely flat shooting round that will allow me to learn how to estimate hold over with a duplex reticle.
The "fastest" ammo, all else being equal, will fly the straightest for the longest duration "compared to the exact same round flying slower". So in the case of your 223 if you find two different brands of 45 grain JHP's, the one with higher velocity will fly "straighter/longer".
So "generally" lighter ammo for the caliber will be faster, fly straighter so in the case of your 30.06, a 110 or 120 grain bullet will fly straighter further than say a 180 grain, but if you are shooting a moose you are better off shooting the 180 grain than the 110 or 120.
You are asking a very very complex question that has literally thousands of variables and looking for a "tweet length" answer and you just won't get one.
You need to ask super specific questions such as:
I'm hunting groundhogs with my 223. I shoot no further than 125 yards, what are good rounds for this purpose.
OR - I'm shooting targets at 300 yards with my 308 and am looking for an extremely flat shooting round that will allow me to learn how to estimate hold over with a duplex reticle.
Asking what ammo is best is like asking what food is best. There are too many answers, too many variables, and you're wasting everyones time.
How about you tell us what your barrel lengths and twist ratios? Are you hunting or target shooting? What distances do you shoot?
Please put one percent of the thought into your questions as per the answers you would expect to receive. Someone here will be happy to give you specific answers if you actually ask a specific question.
Garden Gnome, do you have a PAL??? Are you asking about these cartridges because you are looking at getting into shooting on a budget??? Your questions truly mark you as a newbie and the fellows here are being nice to you trying to explain why each rifle is an entity unto itself.
The 223rem will be the cheapest of all the cartridges you have listed to shoot and if you have a capable rifle and are capable yourself of shooting it well accurate out to over 600meters.
Canadian Tire sells Winchester 223rem almost as cheaply as I can reload it. Once in a while surplus 223rem(5.56 Nato) comes on sale by the crate as well. The really nice thing about this cartridge is it is available at just about any outlet that sells ammo.
7.62x39 surplus, usually corrosive primed, is also a cheap way to go with cheap SKS surplus rifles available and most gun shops and even select Canadian Tire Stores. You can pick up a crate of 7.62x39 and a SKS for under $500 tax/shipping in.
In looking over Garden Gnome's question again, I think we may have misunderstood what he was getting at. He may have been asking:
Which caliber and - or cartridge is the most accurate over the longest distance? We provided him with the answer: The highest velocity, heaviest bullet.
Of course, there was a price component to the question, so then, the best bang for the buck is: .223! Fast, inexpensive and relatively heavy for its size.
Which caliber and - or cartridge is the most accurate over the longest distance? We provided him with the answer: The highest velocity, heaviest bullet.
Of course, there was a price component to the question, so then, the best bang for the buck is: .223! Fast, inexpensive and relatively heavy for its size.
Glad to help! Answering this kind of question, sharpens our own thinking and knowledge. What will you do with what we have said? Which cartridge?
Well, it is early on ans till debating and i am mixed between getting a shotgun and rifle together or getting an Ar-15 type rifle alone. OR get the Ruger precision rifle in .308. The shotguns and rifles I have narrowed down to are as follows.
Rifles
Ruger American .270 win or .308
Remington Model 783 .270 or .308
Savage Axis .270 or .308
Shotguns
Remington 870 express super magnum 28 inch barrel
Winchester SXP Black Shadow 28 inch
Ar-15
Sig Sauer m400
Colt Le6920
I think the only time i want to shoot a .223 is in an Ar-15. I feel like if i have a hunting/precision rifle i want a more powerful round.
Rifles
Ruger American .270 win or .308
Remington Model 783 .270 or .308
Savage Axis .270 or .308
Shotguns
Remington 870 express super magnum 28 inch barrel
Winchester SXP Black Shadow 28 inch
Ar-15
Sig Sauer m400
Colt Le6920
I think the only time i want to shoot a .223 is in an Ar-15. I feel like if i have a hunting/precision rifle i want a more powerful round.
Good thinking ^^ ! Hunting anything more than coyotes should be done with something larger than .223 and if you want to shoot long
range, then .308 is the best bang for the buck! AR's are for fun (so I understand) at less than 300m and of course, usually restricted.
There is an obligation somewhere, I can't remember where, that I should recommend that your first rifle be a .22 so that you can shoot
a couple of thousand rounds at a cost of $400 or $500, all in, and get really proficient with sight picture and trigger control.
range, then .308 is the best bang for the buck! AR's are for fun (so I understand) at less than 300m and of course, usually restricted.
There is an obligation somewhere, I can't remember where, that I should recommend that your first rifle be a .22 so that you can shoot
a couple of thousand rounds at a cost of $400 or $500, all in, and get really proficient with sight picture and trigger control.
Good thinking ^^ ! Hunting anything more than coyotes should be done with something larger than .223 and if you want to shoot long
range, then .308 is the best bang for the buck! AR's are for fun (so I understand) at less than 300m and of course, usually restricted.
There is an obligation somewhere, I can't remember where, that I should recommend that your first rifle be a .22 so that you can shoot
a couple of thousand rounds at a cost of $400 or $500, all in, and get really proficient with sight picture and trigger control.
YA i read that getting a 22lr is a good bet to learn. I may pick up a random one for as cheap as they get. The bullets are about 7-8 cents a round now lol. I wish that is what most ammo cost. The Ar-15 i will definetly eventually get if i dont get it first. Just need to sort out funds porperly. I don't think ill be hunting. More so target practice at a range.
Why would you avoid the Rem 783? That and the Ruger seem to be among the best budget rifles in every review i read. Yes the Vanguard series 2 i was looking at and is about $200 more.
