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I am dropping the dollars on an Annie in the 64 action, a small step up from the 10/22. I have narrowed it down to a 64 R sporter target or a 64 MP R. Both are repeaters and have the same trigger. The difference between the two are the barrel length, longer on the mpr and the stock configuration is different. Also a couple hundred dollars. Does anyone have experience with these two. I will be putting a Vortex viper HT in mil/mil on it. Training rifle for long range practice, I can shoot in the farm field behind the house, the big bore stuff seams to get the neighbors nervous. Not that they stop me as I do not live in a firearm restriction area but it keeps harmony.

Is there a difference in accuracy with either barrel length and which stock do you prefer. Shooting will be mainly from a bench and prone with some standing. I am in the process of firing up the plasma cutter I have access to and make chickens, pigs and the lot.

Before someone says it, I know the 54 is the better action and if someone wants to sell me one for the price of a 64 I'll take it ;-) .

Dino
 
barrel length is not a factor in determining accuracy, and in regard to the stock design the preference will be totally up to you. everyone has preferences on stock design regarding esthetics and ergonomics and is quite personal. either rifle is a bit more than a small step up from a 10/22. Anschutz rifles are very high quality and the price tag reflects this, expect consistent and repeatable tiny groups with match ammo.
 
Barrel length does not effect accuracy much but it does velocity! The MPR is the most popular model for prone and bench and the sporter model more so for chickens. I would go with the MPR if most the shooting was going to be bench or prone and not too much free hand but that is your choice, be nice you could shoulder each model.
 
I looked into the 64R ST a few months ago when I was looking for a precision .22. IIRC I eliminated it from my list because it has a very short LOP (according to Anschutz's website). I purchased an MPR which has a longer LOP and I still ended up adding another inch of spacers to get it where I wanted (I'm 6 feet tall and lanky). The length of pull on the 64R is also adjustable but the bolts that secure the butt pad are only so long.

The MPR is a great rifle and I would recommend it highly if it wasn't for one silly, ridiculous, frustrating problem. The ejection is terrible. I knew this may be a problem before I bought it but it wasn't a deal breaker for me. This is a potential (and well known) problem for ANY 64 action rifle btw. 50% of the time the fired case ejects, otherwise it ends up in the action and I have to fish it out (I've tried different types of ammo and bolt manipulation techniques, doesn't help). If you need a 100% reliable rifle, the 64 action isn't for you. I haven't tried any of the DIY fixes yet but I shouldn't have to.

Another thing I noticed about the MPR is the distance between the grip and the trigger. It's quite a reach for me and I don't have small hands. The trigger blade is adjustable forward and back but even after doing that it's still too far away to be comfortable. This is not a problem for me because I float my thumb when I'm shooting, but if you prefer to grip the rifle in a more traditional fashion you may have an issue.

Other than the things I mentioned you would love either rifle. I would highly recommend trying out either for fit and comfort if you can.
 
Thanks for the replies, I thank all of you for your input. I will be taking this rifle on moose hunts for grouse as well as the training. As barrel length is not a determining factor in accuracy I may go for the sporter. I don't have the opportunity to shoulder either of them as none of the shops in this area carry Anschutz. Sucks.
As for the ejection problem, not a deal breaker just very disappointing, I have grown to expect more from German engineering.

Dino
 
I have an MPR, I can't say if they're all like that but I had to do a fair bit of work to it, pillar bedding to tighten it up, also some other mods to the trigger guard and stuff, it was way too loose in the stock to try to support a long barrel like that. Out of the box it had a lot of flyers, 2-3 that would group good them it would throw a couple more almost an inch off at 50yard. Now it groups fairly good.
Ejection on mine is horrible, so I don't use the magazine and let them drop under.

I think the single shot 64 actions do better for ejection.
 
How the hell Anschutz gets away with such shoddy ejection I will never know. How does a company that prides itself on workmanship and engineering let something not work for so many years!!!!???
 
Save up until you can afford a 1712... While the 64 action is a big upgrade over a 10/22, you will probably find yourself wanting to upgrade again down the road. $1800.00 is a lot for a rifle, if your serious about shooting and want something that you will never outgrow, the 1712 is the way to go!
 
Ease up a bit on the ejection issue, there are multiple forum threads and YouTube's on how to get around this. Just Google "Anschutz ejection problem" and a multitude of hits will appear. All you need is a small flat needle file, a couple tiny screw drivers and the patience to follow reasonably simple instructions.
I had a 64 that ejected perfectly but my 54 did not eject worth a damn. Casings actually flew the wrong direction back into the breech. It can be an issue on either model.
I agree that this is totally unacceptable for a rifle of this price and quality, but like I said it's not some expensive fix a guy can't do at home in under an hour.
Don't let this minor issue wreck the Anschutz experience.
 
If it is a cheap easy fix then why is the company even letting these defective rifles hit the market without being fixed at th QC level? Very odd for a German company to let this slide...
 
lowe160 said:
So what you are saying it still EFFECTS velocity????

Aint dis wat me sa!
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I read it as saying the longer barrel will provide greater velocity, but I can see what you are saying. My point was that .22LR is very insensitive to barrel length and you won't see much difference from 10" up through 24" barrels (maybe longer). Have a look at Ballistics by the Inch to see their results with the higher velocity rimfire ammo. The standard velocity/subsonic target stuff will be even less sensitive to barrel length than the high velocity ammo.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/22.html


Mark
 
M70-338 said:
Ease up a bit on the ejection issue, there are multiple forum threads and YouTube's on how to get around this. Just Google "Anschutz ejection problem" and a multitude of hits will appear. All you need is a small flat needle file, a couple tiny screw drivers and the patience to follow reasonably simple instructions.
I had a 64 that ejected perfectly but my 54 did not eject worth a damn. Casings actually flew the wrong direction back into the breech. It can be an issue on either model.
I agree that this is totally unacceptable for a rifle of this price and quality, but like I said it's not some expensive fix a guy can't do at home in under an hour.
Don't let this minor issue wreck the Anschutz experience.
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Anschutz has been letting this minor issue wreck the Anschutz experience for years. As much as I love them, they have absolutely no excuse for letting rifles go out the door in need of gunsmithing!

They should take 'Die Meister Macher' off their logo if they can't master simple rimfire ejection.

I agree that they are great rifles, but Anschutz ought to be given no quarter on this until they reform or explain why they left this condition intact.
 
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philthygeezer said:
Anschutz has been letting this minor issue wreck the Anschutz experience for years. As much as I love them, they have absolutely no excuse for letting rifles go out the door in need of gunsmithing!

They should take 'Die Meister Macher' off their logo if they can't master simple rimfire ejection.

I agree that they are great rifles, but Anschutz ought to be given no quarter on this until they reform or explain why they left this condition intact.
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Did someone had a talk with one of their representative about that issue? I mean, they should be aware, right? What did they say about this?
 
philthygeezer said:
Anschutz has been letting this minor issue wreck the Anschutz experience for years. As much as I love them, they have absolutely no excuse for letting rifles go out the door in need of gunsmithing!

They should take 'Die Meister Macher' off their logo if they can't master simple rimfire ejection.

I agree that they are great rifles, but Anschutz ought to be given no quarter on this until they reform or explain why they left this condition intact.
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Even the 1907R that you purchased from me was totally unreliable,, before I tuned the extractor. It didn't take much tuning to fix it, but it shouldn't have required any tuning. I haven't tested my new 1712 yet, but I hope that I don't need to tune it as well. The problem is so prevalent, that I keep spare parts on hand.
 
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