Which antique revolver would you carry in the bush?

Anything of at least .44-.45 calibre and loaded with a bullet with the biggest flat point I can find would be my choice.

I, too have seen the Thompson-LaGarde test results mentioned above. No conclusions can be drawn from them. The only meaningful test of ammunition lethality is by comparing wound channels in an appropriate medium, such as ballistic gelatin.
 
mardig88 said:
even if you're not poaching
wouldnt they consider having reasonable doubts that you might be doing so?
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That's why the east (gun laws) sucks. Anywhere west of ontario being on crown land with a firearm is fine, because that's where most people plink. Don't need a reason to be out there, and with an antique pistol, you can be stump shooting.

Paperwork for the fudds would be in order, as the Police will try to charge you, which is fair enough considering most of our own community doesn't know about antiques.


Personally, if you're going to take an antique into the bush, be prepaired to deal with CO's, Cops, and fudds.
 
I should be packing one of my DA's either in 44 Russian or one of my 450's
they all spit over 240gr of lead and they're double action...

that being said I usually have my 1858 Remmy in 44spl on my hip... ;)
 
I believe storage is the same as any restricted. Transport is the same as restricted sans ATT papers. Using is the same as non-restricted.
That being said, I'd be real nervous in Ont. wandering around in the bush/gravel pit with one, legal or not.
 
this is what I carry along with a verification letter stating the iron is an antique.
Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms

SOR/98-464

CRIMINAL CODE

His Excellency the Governor General in Council, on the recommendation of the Minister of Justice, pursuant to the definitions “prescribed”a and “antique firearm”a in subsection 84(1) and to subsection 117.15(1)a of the Criminal Code, hereby makes the annexed Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms.

a S.C. 1995, c. 39, s. 139

Registration September 16, 1998

REGULATIONS PRESCRIBING ANTIQUE FIREARMS

PRESCRIPTION

1. The firearms listed in the schedule are antique firearms for the purposes of paragraph (b) of the definition “antique firearm” in subsection 84(1) of the Criminal Code.

COMING INTO FORCE

2. These Regulations come into force on December 1, 1998.

SOR/98-472, s. 3.

SCHEDULE

(Section 1)

BLACK POWDER REPRODUCTIONS

1. A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897.

RIFLES

2. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

3. A rifle manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, whether with a smooth or rifled bore, having a bore diameter of 8.3 mm or greater, measured from land to land in the case of a rifled bore, with the exception of a repeating firearm fed by any type of cartridge magazine.

SHOTGUNS

4. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

5. A shotgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than 10, 12, 16, 20, 28 or 410 gauge cartridges.

HANDGUNS

6. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging only rim-fire cartridges, other than 22 Calibre Short, 22 Calibre Long or 22 Calibre Long Rifle cartridges.

7. A handgun manufactured before 1898 that is capable of discharging centre-fire cartridges, other than a handgun designed or adapted to discharge 32 Short Colt, 32 Long Colt, 32 Smith and Wesson, 32 Smith and Wesson Long, 32-20 Winchester, 38 Smith and Wesson, 38 Short Colt, 38 Long Colt, 38-40 Winchester, 44-40 Winchester, or 45 Colt cartridges.

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Under the current legislation, "any antique firearm" is not a "firearm" for the following purposes:

1. Firearms Act: None of the provisions of the Firearms Act, including those requiring registration, licences, ATTs and/or ATCs, apply to any "antique firearm."

2. CC s. 91 and 92: Possession of any "antique firearm" without a licence or registration certificate is legal.

3. CC s. 93: Possession of any "antique firearm" at any location is legal.


4. CC s. 94: Being in a motor vehicle with any "antique firearm" is legal.


5. CC s. 95: Being in possession of a loaded "antique firearm" (which is also a "restricted firearm" or a "prohibited firearm"), or one with readily accessible ammunition is legal even if the person is not the holder of any licence, registration certificate, ATT, or ATC.

6. CC s. 99: Transferring or offering to transfer any "antique firearm" is legal.

7. CC s. 100: Dealing in any type of any "antique firearm" is legal.

8. CC s. 101: Transferring any "antique firearm" is legal if the transfer apparently violates the Firearms Act.

9. CC s. 103 and 104: Importing or exporting any "antique firearm" is legal.

10. CC s. 105: Not reporting the loss or finding of any "antique firearm" is legal.

11. CC s. 106 and 107: Not reporting the destruction of any "antique firearm" is legal, and knowingly making a false report of that type to a firearms official or the police is legal.

12. CC s. 117.03: A peace officer who finds a person in possession of any "antique firearm" is not authorized to demand that the person present a licence, registration certificate, ATT, and/or ATC.

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ANTIQUE FIREARMS-storage,transport,display




14. (1) An individual may store, display or transport an antique firearm only if it is unloaded.


(2) An individual may transport an antique firearm in an unattended vehicle only if


(a) when the vehicle is equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is in that trunk or compartment and the trunk or compartment is securely locked; and



(b) when the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk or similar compartment that can be securely locked, the antique firearm is not visible from outside the vehicle and the vehicle, or the part that contains the antique firearm, is securely locked.



(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.
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hope that clears it up for y'all :D
 
Okay, my mind is spinning. What does all the legalese mean? An antique firearm doesn't need to be registered or ATT'd and can be treated like a non-restricted firearm?
 
Grouse Man said:
Okay, my mind is spinning. What does all the legalese mean? An antique firearm doesn't need to be registered or ATT'd and can be treated like a non-restricted firearm?
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I think this was the point (thanks again, BrotherRockeye !)..:

(3) An individual may transport an antique firearm that is a handgun only if it is in a locked container that is made of an opaque material and is of such strength, construction and nature that it cannot readily be broken open or into or accidentally opened during transportation.
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Basically I live in Nova Scotia, I would not bother, even though for the east, Nova Scotia is actually gun-friendly compared to Quebec & Ontario, we have a lot of DNR shooting ranges for public use, but otherwise there is a lot of bumf & bull#### to deal with provincially, I would not carry an expensive antique, but I would carry something like the 20 gauge single shot shotgun cut down with a pistol grip & shortened barrel & slugs in the pocket & upland game shot - a lot less painful if your firearm is temporarily confiscated. ;)
 
Im surprised how many people dont get this yet.
Transpost of a Antique handgun must be unloaded in a locked opaque coloured case (ie Tool box with a pad lock or pistol case with a padlock)

No Permits and No Registration to Transpost and NO Trigger lock on Perscribed Antique Handguns.

Once you get to the place of legal discharge (anywhwere a Non restricted hunting Rifle can be legally fired) then it can be loaded on your hip in plain site in a holster.

This is OK in B.C and AB should be legal accross Canada cept in ON where they say your hunting even if your Not.
Id still be Temped to pack one in ON in the Bush if i lived there tho.
Saying you must be hunting cause your in the Woods is like saying your Shoplifting because your in a Store.
Its Friken B.S.


So we like to Target shoot in remoat locations thats our Choice.
 
H Wally said:
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Paperwork for the fudds would be in order, as the Police will try to charge you, which is fair enough considering most of our own community doesn't know about antiques.
Personally, if you're going to take an antique into the bush, be prepaired to deal with CO's, Cops, and fudds.[/QUOTE]

I always pack my antique handgun while walking in the bush here in B.C... never saw a CO while hunting on foot in thirty years of hunting.
While transporting in a vehicle, the gun is locked in a case. CO's and PO's can't really look into your locked case without serious reason.
Doesn't sound like trouble at all.
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fat tony said:
I don't think casual target shooting on crown land is lawful in Nova Scotia anymore, I will have to look into that - in Newfoundland, target shooting on crown land is the only choice you have iirc. . .
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You should check because it is legal just about everywhere if your on Crown land.
So if your out and about say with your Rifle bump your scope you cant resite in the gun?

Man reading threads from back east makes me be happy about our CFOs in B.C and AB and our wildlife regs to.
I also never seen any COs or anyone that wanted to check me for anything in 40 + Years.

Been in a few Road blocks never been asked if i had a gun or anything.
Once a cop asked if i had anything Ilegal in my Truck that was it, I said Nope! then was on my merry way.
 
fat tony said:
I don't think casual target shooting on crown land is lawful in Nova Scotia anymore, I will have to look into that - in Newfoundland, target shooting on crown land is the only choice you have iirc. . .
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I think you're right. Even when i lived in NS back in the 80s, it was illegal to take a rifle into the bush to shoot, unless there was a hunting season open and you had a valid hunting license.

If you wanted to target shoot, you had to use private or public ranges only. The public ranges required that you make an apointment ahead of time, and tell them what firearms you were going to shoot with, and when you would be shooting.

Supposedly these provincial laws were there to stop poachers.
 
jethunter said:
I think you're right. Even when i lived in NS back in the 80s, it was illegal to take a rifle into the bush to shoot, unless there was a hunting season open and you had a valid hunting license.

If you wanted to target shoot, you had to use private or public ranges only. The public ranges required that you make an apointment ahead of time, and tell them what firearms you were going to shoot with, and when you would be shooting.

Supposedly these provincial laws were there to stop poachers.
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You know what makes me laugh is the government ranges are not too bad, but here is what's required of you: 1 you have to bring someone with you supposedly who is okay to drive, 2 you can only single load regardless of action type :confused: thirdly (this was out on the Sibley Road range in Middle Musquodobouit), you have a green wood painted shooting bench, this shooting bench has at least one wooden partition for want of a better word, this 'partition' made of 3/4" ply, is vertical, and is sort of tacked onto the end of the shooting bench at the muzzle end, in this ply 'partition' is a let's see, about 6" square hole, this is what you are supposed to shoot through, singly, bulls**t. there is also a list of tutty frutty rules on this huge mother humping sign. Yes it's free but it's a bit much please and thank you. I'm sure glad I belong to the club I do, because it's the only one I would consider taking out membership in here in Nova Scotia. - not that there's anything wrong with the other clubs. . .:D

But I'm getting off the subject. . . ;)
 
fat tony said:
You know what makes me laugh is the government ranges are not too bad, but here is what's required of you: 1 you have to bring someone with you supposedly who is okay to drive, 2 you can only single load regardless of action type :confused: thirdly (this was out on the Sibley Road range in Middle Musquodobouit), you have a green wood painted shooting bench, this shooting bench has at least one wooden partition for want of a better word, this 'partition' made of 3/4" ply, is vertical, and is sort of tacked onto the end of the shooting bench at the muzzle end, in this ply 'partition' is a let's see, about 6" square hole, this is what you are supposed to shoot through, singly, bulls**t. there is also a list of tutty frutty rules on this huge mother humping sign. Yes it's free but it's a bit much please and thank you. I'm sure glad I belong to the club I do, because it's the only one I would consider taking out membership in here in Nova Scotia. - not that there's anything wrong with the other clubs. . .:D

But I'm getting off the subject. . . ;)
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That brings back some memories! Sibley was where i used to shoot when i lived in Lower Sackville. I used to belong to a club - but i can't remember the name. They had an indoor shooting range in Dartmouth, not too far from the Micmac rotary - maybe a km or so. Been a long time.

Back to the topic - what would i carry: i think a M1883 Reichsrevolver loaded with warmish .44 russian. The reichsrevolvers have a reputation for being exceptionally strong. They look good too.

2nd choice: Something chambered for .455 webley, maybe a later model WG with the 6 inch barrel.
 
why not saw off a double barrel antique 10 gauge percussion cap loaded with 00 buck?
no minimum length requirements and a lot of smackdown
 
jethunter said:
That brings back some memories! Sibley was where i used to shoot when i lived in Lower Sackville. I used to belong to a club - but i can't remember the name. They had an indoor shooting range in Dartmouth, not too far from the Micmac rotary - maybe a km or so. Been a long time.

Back to the topic - what would i carry: i think a M1883 Reichsrevolver loaded with warmish .44 russian. The reichsrevolvers have a reputation for being exceptionally strong. They look good too.

2nd choice: Something chambered for .455 webley, maybe a later model WG with the 6 inch barrel.
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But for the beyond silly 'safety' rules, Sibley is a nice range, it's a nice drive from Dartmouth, Musquodoboit is very nice country. The Dartmouth Range is the Atlantic Marksmen Association, that's a pretty good club, you just have to get 'used' to the way they do things - they are under quite a bit of scrutiny (right in town c'mon with all the f**kery going on in the area) & I think a lot of it is political, you know that range was built when the climate was much friendlier for the shooting sports in Canada.
 
mardig88 said:
could wildlife preservation officers charge you if you have an antique with you?
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I have the fortune of having access to 1200 acres of private land and here in manitoba I can tell a CO to pound sand and return with a warrant if he wants to visit so needless charges are unlikely. Now the moment one slips onto crown land or public road it's fair game.
 
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