Which AR rifle for precision?

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Just somewhat curious about AR rifles and hunting / targets out to 500 yards. I am very unfamiliar with AR rifles. I have a restricted pal but want an AR type of rifle I can use for varmints also. I know most AR rifles are restricted but if barrel is long enough then they become non restricted? Anyway most ar's are not even close to moa or better accuracy. I am looking for a non restricted AR type of rifle that can produce good accuracy out to 500 yards. Christensen arms? Not sold on carbon barrels but they say they're accurate.
 
logan1080 said:
Just somewhat curious about AR rifles and hunting / targets out to 500 yards. I am very unfamiliar with AR rifles. I have a restricted pal but want an AR type of rifle I can use for varmints also. I know most AR rifles are restricted but if barrel is long enough then they become non restricted? Anyway most ar's are not even close to moa or better accuracy. I am looking for a non restricted AR type of rifle that can produce good accuracy out to 500 yards. Christensen arms? Not sold on carbon barrels but they say they're accurate.
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ARs are restricted by name therefore are restricted no matter the barrel length.

Also you cannot hunt or shoot animals what so ever with an AR-15 since you can't hunt with a restricted firearm.

You can only fire your Ar-15 at a range.
 
the only one that can be taken hunting i believe is the r-15 from remington, its not restricted as far as i know, and only comes in camo, no black
 
mattyboy72 said:
the only one that can be taken hunting i believe is the r-15 from remington, its not restricted as far as i know, and only comes in camo, no black
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Nope. All AR-based rifles are restricted. All ARs were originally prohibited, but the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association(DCRA) successfully argued that they were needed for service rifle competition, so they were made restricted.

I shoot an R15 in service rifle competition sometimes.
 
carbonrod said:
Nope. All AR-based rifles are restricted. All ARs were originally prohibited, but the Dominion of Canada Rifle Association(DCRA) successfully argued that they were needed for service rifle competition, so they were made restricted.

I shoot an R15 in service rifle competition sometimes.
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Could I hunt and kill say a moose on a range that allowed restricted rifles?
 
beltfed said:
Could I hunt and kill say a moose on a range that allowed restricted rifles?
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I don't think so since you can't hunt with restricted. I guess it depends on the provinces hunting regulations. Wether you need a hunting license, or and won a lottery for a moose hunt

" I shot the moose in self defence because it was a dangerous animal threatening my life"
 
to the OP, check out the black rifle forum there is a quite a few threads on non-restricted AR stylle (as in looks) rifles, most have range reports and show accuracy, could make your pick from there , if your stuck on it being Non restricted
 
The Robinson arms xcr is not restricted and you cow hunt with it. They make one in 6.8 spc. Other than that though I know nothing about them
 
I have a completely vanilla AR-15 (a "Colt Sporter SP1"). It is a fun little rifle and you can do a great many things with it. I expect that in the hands of the right shooter it could win the national Service Rifle match and if not it would certainly be able to place in the top 5.

That said, it is an honest 2.5MOA rifle (average groups size of 5-shot groups, fired at 100y, with match bullets and a 20X target scope). I don't know if it is the factory barrel (standard chrome-lined military style barrel) or if it is the fact that the conventional handguard mounting of an AR-15 contacts the barrel and makes for a very much un-free-floated barrel.

FWIW you can do some pretty rewarding things with a box-stock 2.5 MOA AR-15. Two things that I remember especially fondly:

-- shooting at 600 yards one evening in Halifax (Bedford rifle range) with iron sights at a standard "Figure 11" military target. Such a target looks so small that it would seem to be unlikely that you'd be able to hit it very much. Yet if you aim carefully you can get all of your hits on a man-sized target at 600 yards. Which I would say fulfills the requirements of an infantry service rifle quite well

-- I once shot a Service Rifle match with it; standard military 62FMJBT ammo and the rifle had an el-cheapo 4X Bushnell scope. There is a 500 yard slow fire match in which you fire two sighters and then seven rounds on score. The target is a military "Figure 12C" target which is basically a head-and-shoulders target which has a bull (5-ring) of 12" in diameter. Again it looked to be almost impossibly difficult to reliably score a bull but I ended up with a score of 34 out of 35 (i.e. six of my shots were in the 12" 5-ring and one of the shots leaked out).


Remarkably accurate rifles can be built on an AR-15 action (I understand that to be sub-MOA and even honest 1/2-MOA). The two chief requirements are that such a rifle use a good barrel (e.g. Krieger makes AR-15 barrels but any of the other known good barrel makes would be just as good), and secondly that it uses a "free floating handguard tube".
 
rnbra-shooter said:
Remarkably accurate rifles can be built on an AR-15 action (I understand that to be sub-MOA and even honest 1/2-MOA). The two chief requirements are that such a rifle use a good barrel (e.g. Krieger makes AR-15 barrels but any of the other known good barrel makes would be just as good), and secondly that it uses a "free floating handguard tube".
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AR rifles can be made to be sub MOA shooters.............depends on how much money you want to spend...........Match grade barrel......free floating handguards/rail...........tuned trigger, etc..........

I built a SPR MK12 Mod 0 clone and it shot sub MOA out to 300 meters (longest range I had access to at the time).

Also the KAC M110 SASS (7.62X51) is a sub MOA rifle without the supressor.........but it is HUGE $$$$$$$$ andthe chance of getting one is very slim to none.........;)
 
If you want to see how accurate an AR can be, have a look at the service rifles and sniper/3 gun rifles used in the US. Crazy accurate. Some are called Space Guns from makers like JP Ent, Les Baer, etc.

Camp Perry type Service rifles are going 10ring accuracy at 600yds. I think that is a 2 MOA target and for open sights off your elbows and sling, right there with the TR bolt rifles

Sniper matches have shooters going out to at least 600yds on unknown distance targets. Sure they are larger targets but you still need consistent and reliable performance to put a bullet on a target 'somewhere out there'.

Companies like Shilen, Krieger, McGowen, Les Baer, etc all make great match quality barrels and if properly chambered, CAN shoot sub MOA. Some reports show rifles approaching 1/3 min BUT is that one hero group?

About to put together a McGowen match barrel on my Norc M4 for S&G. Will do some testing in the fall after the match season. If I can get it 1/2 min at 200yds, I will be thrilled.

Jerry
 
This is one of the real shames with the AR being restricted. There are a number of precision AR rifles. You can put one together or just buy a varminter off the shelf. Stag, DPMS, RRA make affordable precision AR rifles. Also there is the AR10 in .308. Most AR10 style rifles with match bull barrels are in the 1/2 moa area with match grade ammo etc. The AR with it's direct impengment system is the semi auto that breaks the old rule regarding semi autos not being accurate. In a precision form the AR is a very accurate and nice to shoot platform. If it wasn't for the BS restricted designation the AR would be a best seller for varminting and hunting. It is in the US. Those that don't think a semi auto can be extremely accurate haven't shot a precision AR. One of my favourite rifles to shoot is my Armalite AR10.
 
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