Which cartridge for a LONG range hunting HAMMER?

I started LR shooting with 2 300 RUMS over a decade ago. The 300 RUM were both very accurate in those factory rifles (pet load sub 1/2 MOA and more than a few groups going 1/2" at 300 m and almost always sub MOA at any distance), and very predictable and consistent in dial-ups out to 800 metres (likely due to the flat trajectory at 3300 fps velocities with 180 AB). I loved it, but only remington and nosler brass; both soft and neither giving more than 3-4 firings per brass. So the cost of brass added up quick, and its a thirsty cartridge (93+ grains of powder per shot).

During that time I had my first .308 win built, and then I purchased one of the first .338 Lapua M700 MLRs in Canada, which is now rebarreled with a heavy 28.5" barrel. The 338 Lapua pushing 300 SMKs at 2700-ish fps with ~87 grains of powder is a LR hammer, and my first batch of brass is now on it's 7th firing and going strong with no annealing to-date. The issue is FL resizing every time (could be the tight chamber?), and regular trimming if I want to keep the case to SAAMI 2.714" case length spec, but the case neck length of my chamber allows brass to grow to 2.740" OAL, so trimming does not have to be done as often as I once thought. My .338 LM is a keeper and a hammer well past 1000 yards, where it stands alone and by a fair bit from the others. But its a heavy rig (16.5 lbs) and the big brake has some percussion to it. 20 rounds per session or so and that is usually good for me. 40 rounds is enough, not from the recoil, but the blast of the brake.

But today, having gained some experience and with good reference, the 300 RUMs are now gone; one sold and the other rebarreled to 7mm Rem Mag. I now believe the 7mm rem mag pushing 160+ grain pills over 3000 fps may be the best of them all for practical sub 1000 yards ranges, and certainly retaining plenty of energy for taking down big game out to 700 yards, which is very far without a bench. The relatively lightweight package (~9lbs loaded) is easy to pack in the field, has low recoil, is easy to shoot well, very accurate, and cheaper to shoot than the other mags. Good brass life too - my winchester brass is on its 6 firing, and trimming the brass has been minimal.

But IMO, re LR work, the boring .308 Win is hard to beat as barrel life is forever, it is so cheap to shoot, and I can therefore shoot it alot - time behind the rifle is more important than any cartridge. Now, if I could have only one, my first pick would be the .308 Win, followed closely by the 7mm Rem Mag.
 
I'd lean towards the .338 cal.

Another consideration for a budget minded hunter would be the Savage Long Range Hunter in .338 Lapua. The $500 you save over the Sendero will set you up with a fair pile of .338 Lapua brass...
 
Going with a Weatherby Fibermark 340. They are so close. I have 300- 300WBY brass I can neck up up and I'm in business. 250gr Accubonds @ 2900ish and elk will be nervous.

Thanks guys.

Outstanding choice, Charlie 38 !! What's the barrel length on that? I have found all the loading manuals have a conspiracy against Wby cartridges, all want to make Roy look bad. I loaded up my 340 to well over 3100 fps with 250 part and another friend was getting over 3200 with the 250 part. He was using RL22 when it first came out. Both of ours were 26" tubes.
Use the manuals to start off, but then use common sense and the press indicators we all know so well, you'll find yourself significantly over any book max and still no press signs.
I just rechambered a Win Supergrade (brand spanking new) from 338 to 340 and am playing with it now. Action and magazine still need some work to accept the longer case but have been shooting it. I make all my brass for the 340 from 375H+H (which is relatively cheap and readily available) but you indicated you have 300 pcs of 300 Wby, so you wont need any in the near future.
Recoil is stiff but far from unmageable and I hate brakes so all mine have been smooth barreled. I did have 1 magnaported and it did reduce perceived recoil because of reduced muzzle jump.
Again congrats on a wise decision and let us know how the load developement goes, I've found the 340 to be very easy to load for and very predictable and a good bore size to case capacity. No evil surprizes when loading.
 
Outstanding choice, Charlie 38 !! What's the barrel length on that? I have found all the loading manuals have a conspiracy against Wby cartridges, all want to make Roy look bad. I loaded up my 340 to well over 3100 fps with 250 part and another friend was getting over 3200 with the 250 part. He was using RL22 when it first came out. Both of ours were 26" tubes.
Use the manuals to start off, but then use common sense and the press indicators we all know so well, you'll find yourself significantly over any book max and still no press signs.
I just rechambered a Win Supergrade (brand spanking new) from 338 to 340 and am playing with it now. Action and magazine still need some work to accept the longer case but have been shooting it. I make all my brass for the 340 from 375H+H (which is relatively cheap and readily available) but you indicated you have 300 pcs of 300 Wby, so you wont need any in the near future.
Recoil is stiff but far from unmageable and I hate brakes so all mine have been smooth barreled. I did have 1 magnaported and it did reduce perceived recoil because of reduced muzzle jump.
Again congrats on a wise decision and let us know how the load developement goes, I've found the 340 to be very easy to load for and very predictable and a good bore size to case capacity. No evil surprizes when loading.

Fibermark has a 26" barrel and comes with a Pillar-bedded, hand-laminated composite stock not the tupperware type of the MARK V® SYNTHETIC
 
338 Ultramag is nice. I'm just not sure what the long term availability of brass will be, whereas 338 lapua is here for the long run, given its use by lots of military for long range varmint shooting.
 
Hmmm, it seems like if you sent this out of the muzzle at 2850fps from a 7RM or 7WSM, or 3000fps from a larger 7mm, you would have a pretty decent LR hammer...

From Eric Stecker at Berger bullets:

"I am at the SCI show and am standing next to Bob Beck from EOL as I write this post. We just received the design from Bryan Litz for the new Berger 7mm 195 gr EOL Hybrid Hunting bullet.

It has an estimated averaged G1 BC of .794 and a G7 BC of .406. For those who understand such things this bullet has a G7 form factor of .850. For those who don't know what that means it means that this bullet is the slickest (in terms of velocity retention) on the planet.

Bryan has relayed that this bullet at an estimated 1.637" long will need at least a 1:8.5" twist to be stabilized. Rumors of this bullet (started by your's truly) started several people asking the question of what twist will be required. This is the reason for me starting this thread. So those who are interested in trying this bullet can start working on getting barrels. By the time you'd be able to get one we should have this bullet available.

Regards,
Eric"
 
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