Which chronograph?

Which Chronograph?

  • Labradar

    Votes: 48 50.0%
  • Magnetospeed V3

    Votes: 22 22.9%
  • Stop watch and some lines

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 20 20.8%

  • Total voters
    96
  • Poll closed .

Ruger007

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I am going to get a new chronograph. The old F1 is ready to retire.
Looking at a couple options:

The Labradar
Magnetospeed V3
Or?

I shoot revolvers, pistols with no rails and rifles. 223 and up no real high speeders like the 22-250 or 204.

What should i do? Where is the best to buy?

Prepared to cry once.
Thanks
 
Labradar. Why bother with a magnetospeed when it changes accuracy of the ammo you're testing in your rifle?

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or just upgrade your F1. That is what I did. I got the printer version now and wish I had got it years ago. God willing, I don't shoot the damn thing it will surely outlive me. Canadian made and priced right. What is not to like.

Take Care

Bob
ps As you know it also works.
 
I really LOVE my Magnetospeed sporter.

Had a F1 Chrony, and I hated having to align, adjust, make sure it’s leveled, straight, etc.

I don’t measure pistol velocities or other projectiles. Magnetospeed has my vote.
 
Anyone use the Caldwell precision? The regular unit, not the G2.

Thats what I have. Haven't used it a lot, but it seems to work just fine. Comes with a cable to hook it up to your phone, has an app that saves your strings and whatever. Got it on sale for $99 at Cabelas, and conned my brother into splitting it with me so it only cost me $50!

I voted for Lab Radar though, not having to risk shooting the thing, ease of setup, being able to set it up on a live firing line... There are so many reasons why its so awesome, but I can't afford one, so until I shoot the caldwell I'll be sticking to that.
 
Anyone use the Caldwell precision? The regular unit, not the G2.

I have one, and it works fine and saves everything in my phone so it's easy to keep track for different loads and rifles. Only downside is that to set it up at my range I need to install it when the line is closed (duh) and nobody can be on the rifle to guide me, they can only do it from a distance. I had a range official once to guide me on the rifle, and he guided me to the wrong target (50y). Everything looked fine so I aimed for the 100y which is not directly in line with the 50y and ended up shooting through the rods. Good thing is that Caldwell has excellent customer service!

Anyway, if it wasn't for me only shooting at the range it would be just fine but I just bought a magnetospeed
 
The Labradar not only gives you muzzle velocity but also provides down range speeds as well. It's my primary tool, but I also have a Chroney Gamma Master with LED lights.
 
I've never seen a POI shift on any of my rifles (everything from pencil ARs in 223 to HB bolt guns in 300 NM). Biggest limitation is difficulty mounting on auto-loading pistols if they lack a rail.

I used to think the same. Then, one day I figured I'd test it out. 50 rounds, exactly the same. 6.5CM sub 0.5MOA rifle, sub 0.5MOA ammo, and me shooting that well. Don't ask me why but all three do happen with me from time to time. So, I shot 25 with and 25 without the Magnetospeed, 5 at a time, back and forth. POI consistently shifted about 0.75" down and right with my rifle at 300m with the Magnetospeed mounted. Groups didn't change size, they just shifted a bit; I'm assuming due to the change in barrel harmonics. I have tested it out more since and found that sometimes there is absolutely no change with some rifles and a similar shift in one direction or another with other rifles. Group sizes do not appear to be affected though. So, you can definitely use a Magnetospeed to generate info for load development. Once you have settled on a load, you _MAY_ have to correct your scope POA very slightly to match the POI once the Magnetospeed is removed.

I like the Magnetospeed for it's 'always on' aspect; you never have to arm and disarm it like you have to do with the Labradar.
It is a power miser. It uses a single 9V battery and that battery will last a really long time - as in many months depending on the amount of use.
I dislike mounting the Magnetospeed on a few of my rifles. It tends to want to slide around a bit as it just doesn't 'fit' well on them.
You HAVE to check to be sure that the entire Magnetospeed bayonette is about 4mm - 1/4" away from and not intruding into the projectile path, and is very close to parallel with the bore. It has to STAY there too.
As to the Labradar, it wants to be at a certain spot with certain rifles. Anything with a muzzle brake should have the muzzle either way out in front of or better, parallel to or slightly behind the Labradar (to the side of course).
It wants to be very well aligned to get consistent readings both nearby and downrange. The alignment notch is pitiful but there are more than a few methods of improving the accuracy of its alignment on the internet, ranging from simple straw-like sighting tubes to relatively expensive machined parts. I use a cheapo/freebie pen barrel with the ink cartridge removed and a couple of elastics.
If it detects a shot but 'misses' recording the velocity of a shot, it sits and waits for you to press a button to accept that before it will continue on. Grrr.
If you take too long to fire then it 'disarms' itself and if you don't notice, it doesn't record anything until you 'arm' the damn thing again.
If you use it with a .22LR, and any kind of subsonic ammo, it pretty much requires the microphone triggering accessory. I did almost every straight forward to convoluted set-up trick I could read/find out about and nothing worked consistently with my Labradar.
The Labradar EATS regular 'AA' batteries. A couple of hours and six (or is it eight?) of them are toast. Buy a 10000-20000mA rechargeable power pack for it right off the get-go. My initial 10K lasted me about 3 or 4 x 3-4 hour long sessions before requiring recharging.
 
I have the Labradar and the information is great BUT like mentioned earlier the they should be embarrassed to market a product so dependent on accurate sighting with this inferior sighting set up.I can just eyeball it one day and record virtually every shot.The next day I can waste a whole box of match grade ammo and get nothing......You get so frustrated after a bit that you can't concentrate on shooting and end up wasting your time.They have sympathized with me and offered to help but of course it works the next time out. have tried the pens,straws , homemade gizmos but nothing has been consistent .Once I get it figured I will love but right now it is a love hate relationship.My gripe is with such a poor set up one has absolutely no way of knowing if the unit's aim is off or it is simply pilot error. I chose it as it will not effect the point of impact.I have the battery pack and have never run out of juice when I have decided to use it.The first time you order they pick up the US shipping as i recall so it is best to get the accessories right off the get go.I like the ball mount a lot.Until I get it sorted I am not in a hurry to tell anyone this is the one to get.I have been embarrassed too many times with missed readings. Shooting iron sights at 200 m and can't aim a Labradar.....Driving me nuts !!!!!!
 
After reading all the posts above including mine I have come to a conclusion that I did not fully appreciate. There are two types of folks responding here. I belong to one group that developers handgun and rifle loads. The former to make sure we make power factor for the shooting discipline I am shooting (IDPA & IPSC) for handgun. My rifle chrono work real is limited to trying to develop reasonably accurate loads with military guns and hunting rifles. The military guns (Lee Enfield) can be a challenge when using lead bullets. Beyond that good enough is good enough.

The second group are the guys who chase accuracy. There needs I believe far exceed anything my group requires. I have great respect for guys in this category but it isn't me. Their results are way beyond my pay grade and they require choreographs that I just have no use for. They have built in abilities that I don't need or ever use.

To the OP are you in the first group or the second? My reply is for those who are in the first group. You won't find many guys in the first group willing to pay for the high end chronographs but you will for the 2nd group I am sure and is as it should be.

Take Care

Bob
 
I am more of tinkerer. I like to know what my speeds are. Been trying to develop a 264 load. But probably once i get a load figured out it gets put away.
My old F1 has fallen over, been blown over from muzzle blast. Not sure how many more times it will take it. Its a pain to get the tripod figured our without a bunch of trips down range.

The idea of the magnetospeed is good. But doesn't necessarily fit all my guns. I'm not sure about the think hanging on the end of the barrel either.

The Labradar seems either you love them or hate them. Can be a pain to set up.

Pros and cons
 
I think you maybe over this king the problem. Get yourself a new top end Chrony. The printer version is real handy. Set it up 15 - 20' from the muzzle and do your thing
I set my system up in under 10 minutes. I have Hornady tables to give me an idea on what the bullet is doing down range. The target will tell me if I am making any progress.
Take Care
Bob
 
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I've owned and used all three, but I still prefer the MS (unless using for pistol) because it's half the price of the LR, and not impacted by wind or ambient light. It's also dead nuts simple (just cinch down, plug in, set sensitivity if needed, and fire away). 2 minutes set up total. Even my super old school dad (pushing 70) doesn't have any problem figuring it out. IMO the only way they could improve it is to make it wireless. YMMV.
 
I gave up on my f1 and cant justify the price of a lab radar. anything hanging off the barrel makes no sense to me. I noticed the f1 was giving low readings wit certain rounds. I couldn't achieve the speeds I wanted, yet the rounds shot flatter than they were supposed to. I burnt out 2 barrels pre maturely pushing uber hot loads chasing velocity believing my f1. the shinier the bullet (nosler) the worse it gets. I started working up my accuracy load first, zero at exactly 100 yards then shoot at my 400 yard plate holding at the top edge. measure the drop. tell my ballistic app my drop and it spits out my speeds. all of a sudden things made sense.
 
I gave up on my f1 and cant justify the price of a lab radar. anything hanging off the barrel makes no sense to me. I noticed the f1 was giving low readings wit certain rounds. I couldn't achieve the speeds I wanted, yet the rounds shot flatter than they were supposed to. I burnt out 2 barrels pre maturely pushing uber hot loads chasing velocity believing my f1. the shinier the bullet (nosler) the worse it gets. I started working up my accuracy load first, zero at exactly 100 yards then shoot at my 400 yard plate holding at the top edge. measure the drop. tell my ballistic app my drop and it spits out my speeds. all of a sudden things made sense.


Well, there's always the stopwatch I guess
 
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