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How do the RCBS Deluxe dies stack up to the Reddings and others?
Thanks,
Cal.
Thanks,
Cal.
Which competition/ match grade dies do you use?
- Thread starter etoast
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I found out about the Forster die out of curiosity of just wanting to try one out. After seeing the results I bought after market Forster expander and spindle assemblies for my RCBS dies. And like the poster below I'm getting .001 or less neck runout with a full length resizing die. So my neck sizing dies are very seldom used with this kind results and minimum neck runout.
To the OP, read the entire thread at the link below.
Neck sizing causing runout.
Post # 36
http://forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=262572
"My process is fairly simple. First, I shoot all new brass before I neck turn. A day at the range "fire forming" using all the leftover bullets (or the free ones I got from Hornady in their 'Get Loaded' promo) lets me make sure that the case has had at least ONE expansion cycle on it before cutting the necks.
I size using a Forster Benchrest Full Length Die and leave the expander ball in place. I then turn the necks using a Forster neck turning tool and holding the case in a sinclair case holder that fits in my cordless drill. A little "90 weight" applied sparingly to the mandrel on the turning tool keeps the case from transferring brass to the mandrel while turning.
I set my cutting depth so that I cut at least 270 degrees around the case neck circumference but no more than JUST 360 degrees. The idea is to make the neck uniform not necessarily thinner (unless you have a custom chamber that required a turned down neck). When I find a case that cleans up with 270 degrees of "cut" and leaves just scratches on the remainder of the case I use that setting for all cases in that batch (usually 100-200 cases in my "batch"). At this point it would be good to note that cases should be trimmed for uniform length so the neck turning is uniform in length as well (the tool has a stop on the mandrel). Over the years I've found that my Lapua brass ends up with .014" neck thickness and my Winchester with .012".
When finished neck turning I clean in SS Pins and when finished I anneal (Helps speed the drying process).
Once done this process is finished for the life of the case with the exception of continued cleaning and annealing.
As an added step I take the "batch" and then sort it into 50 round boxes by weight and try to keep that batch together through it's life. When primer pockets start to loosen or I then dump the "batch" into my box of "fun shooting" or "sighter/fouler" box of brass. That brass then just gets tossed out by the ejector and swept up at the end of a shooting session (or grabbed by the brass rats). I then start again with a couple hundred NEW pieces.
Note: The Forster Die I use has feature where the expander ball starts to expand the case neck while part of the neck is still in the sizing portion of the die. It matches the mandrel size on the turning tool and the runout measured on the case equals merely that of the case neck thickness variation. Near ZERO after turning.
There are several neck turning tools that work great but one of them IS NOT the RCBS Tool. Avoid with all possible effort. K&M, Sinclair, or Century 21 are great as is the Forster."
To the OP, read the entire thread at the link below.
Neck sizing causing runout.
Post # 36
http://forum.snipershide.info/showthread.php?t=262572
"My process is fairly simple. First, I shoot all new brass before I neck turn. A day at the range "fire forming" using all the leftover bullets (or the free ones I got from Hornady in their 'Get Loaded' promo) lets me make sure that the case has had at least ONE expansion cycle on it before cutting the necks.
I size using a Forster Benchrest Full Length Die and leave the expander ball in place. I then turn the necks using a Forster neck turning tool and holding the case in a sinclair case holder that fits in my cordless drill. A little "90 weight" applied sparingly to the mandrel on the turning tool keeps the case from transferring brass to the mandrel while turning.
I set my cutting depth so that I cut at least 270 degrees around the case neck circumference but no more than JUST 360 degrees. The idea is to make the neck uniform not necessarily thinner (unless you have a custom chamber that required a turned down neck). When I find a case that cleans up with 270 degrees of "cut" and leaves just scratches on the remainder of the case I use that setting for all cases in that batch (usually 100-200 cases in my "batch"). At this point it would be good to note that cases should be trimmed for uniform length so the neck turning is uniform in length as well (the tool has a stop on the mandrel). Over the years I've found that my Lapua brass ends up with .014" neck thickness and my Winchester with .012".
When finished neck turning I clean in SS Pins and when finished I anneal (Helps speed the drying process).
Once done this process is finished for the life of the case with the exception of continued cleaning and annealing.
As an added step I take the "batch" and then sort it into 50 round boxes by weight and try to keep that batch together through it's life. When primer pockets start to loosen or I then dump the "batch" into my box of "fun shooting" or "sighter/fouler" box of brass. That brass then just gets tossed out by the ejector and swept up at the end of a shooting session (or grabbed by the brass rats). I then start again with a couple hundred NEW pieces.
Note: The Forster Die I use has feature where the expander ball starts to expand the case neck while part of the neck is still in the sizing portion of the die. It matches the mandrel size on the turning tool and the runout measured on the case equals merely that of the case neck thickness variation. Near ZERO after turning.
There are several neck turning tools that work great but one of them IS NOT the RCBS Tool. Avoid with all possible effort. K&M, Sinclair, or Century 21 are great as is the Forster."
This ! I have Redding, Forster ( close second ) and RCBS and that's the order I recommend.
