Which dillon would you recommend to reload 9mm and 223?

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Too many models, I've read reviews but I just can't figure out which one would be the best.
Why is the 1050 so expensive compared to the 650?

integrated swaging is not a concern, I have a super swage 600.
I want a casefeeder that works.

Right now I have the loadmaster, but the priming system annoys me (1 in 5-10 primers is not there, or is sideways).
I would like more leverage, I find it hard on the hand to reload more than 100 rounds with the LM.

Where is the best place to buy dillon presses for price, advice and service?

Thanks
 
A 1050 would be wonderful but my fingers aren't nimble enough to place the bullets quick enough to make a 1050 a worthwhile upgrade for me...now a 1050 with a Mr. Bullet Feeder would be a dream machine for reloading. You can use a Mr. Bullet Feeder on a 650 but you either give up the powder check or go with a combined bullet seater and crimp die.

I think the two or three big practical advantages of the 1050...over just about any other press...are
a) primes on the down stroke gives an adjustable depth and more reliable seating of the primer
b) more stations, have room for case feeder, bullet feeder, case trimmer, powder check, resizing die, powder drop, expander, bullet seater and crimp all in the cycle, 650 only has 5 stations
c) having a separate powder drop and expander station provides better control of powder on full capacity loads. This hasn't been an issue for me.

Disadvantage of course is price which you already know, but also be aware the calibre conversions and quick change kits are also 2 to 3 times as expensive for the 1050 over the 650.

The case feeder on the 650 works great and is the same unit as the 1050 (except for the mounting). I've never had any issues with mine.

I load .45 Colt, .45 ACP and .38 Special. I don't have experience with .223 on the 650 so can't testify there.

Advantages of 650
a) Switching between calibers on the 650 is fairly easy and only takes me about 20 minutes
b) Lifetime warranty over the 1050 1 year warranty

For what its worth, if I had the money and was doing it again, I'd get a 1050, but I have no desire to upgrade what I have. I've loaded 10's of thousands of rounds on the 650.

Biggest heads up I can give anyone is to be very, very diligent about ALL the adjustments noted in the manual. Some of them can seem a little pointless but trust me, all of them are necessary. The 650 should run absolutely perfectly, if it isn't then something is out of adjustment.

One important upgrade on the 650 which I've done and I think is very popular is to get the small thrust bearing for the shell plate bolt. Does wonders and its cheap.

I bought from MD Gardner, great service and a very knowledgeable guy who is very well respected in the shooting community. I don't know if his prices or availability are any better than anyone else but his advice and service are great.
 
Kryogen said:
Too many models, I've read reviews but I just can't figure out which one would be the best.
Why is the 1050 so expensive compared to the 650?

integrated swaging is not a concern, I have a super swage 600.
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It's expensive because it's worth it. The 650 isn't a bad press.

If you will never find yourself loading mixed brass, the 600 will do fine.
 
mdragon9 said:
Advantages of 650
a) Switching between calibers on the 650 is fairly easy and only takes me about 20 minutes
b) Lifetime warranty over the 1050 1 year warranty

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Sorry,

Even commonly believed bovine excrement is still bovine excrement.

With the proper conversion kit on hand, Switching calibers on the 1050 is a 10 minute job, 15 if you are also changing the primer size. It's the same as the 650 for the most part.

As for the warranty, if you can't break it in the first year, you can't break it. At over 100K I pulled the bearings on mine and found 0 wear. When cleaned, the linkage looked new.
The only part I have had to replace on mine is the indexing pawl.
 
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Canuck223 said:
Sorry,

Even commonly believe bovine excrement is still bovine excrement.

With the proper conversion kit on hand, Switching calibers on the 1050 is a 10 minute job, 15 if you are also changing the primer size. It's the same as the 650 for the most part.

As for the warranty, if you can't break it in the first year, you can't break it. At over 100K I pulled the bearings on mine and found 0 wear. When cleaned, the linkage looked new.
The only part I have had to replace on mine is the indexing pawl.
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and being an a&^hole is still being an a&*hole even if you commonly believe saying "sorry" makes it right, there was no need for the excrement comment to make your point

but fair is fair on the caliber change over and you've got the hands on experience. I admit to drooling over a 1050. That's a great machine.
 
If you have the cash, get the 1050 now. You will grow into it eventually if you get a 650. I wish that I had done that.

However if cash is an issue, 650XL all the way. Add a bullet feeder later and watch it really rock!

Don't even think of the lower models if your a volume loader.
 
jawsman said:
I have the 550 and couldn't be happier. It works for the calibers you want, is fast and easy to setup.
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I actually have 2 550's so that tells you my preference! I prefer to manually index, but if you want auto indexing go with the 650. How many rounds do you shoot in a typical month? For me, I can load 400 rounds per hour comfortably taking my time with the 550 so in three hours I am good for the month. A 1050 would be lost on me, I just don't shoot enough to justify the cost.
 
Just stopped in at Dillon precision in AZ, nice folks...

The 650 is a lot of press, I actually have issues buying components just to feed it for a Saturday afternoon...

I'd strongly reccomend the 650 over the 1050 only for the simple reason of caliber conversion cost, by the time you get a 650 setup with the case feeder and a couple extras like a strong mount and roller handle your at around the same cost as a bare 1050.

A caliber conversion kit for the 650 is around $80-$110 depending on where you shop, if you buy a complete quick change for the 650 with powder measure ad $130 to your caliber conversion... The 1050 will be a lil bit more $$ per caliber ;)

Honestly tho... I run IVI brass mostly thru my 650 in 1000-2000-3000rnd lots... Once you prep your brass as long as you sort it well you won't have any trouble... And if you do run into a crimped primer pocket you know it right away.
 
I have stopped long ago to justify the cost, I like reloading, it's a hobby. I think I'll wait to go dillon, but then I'll get a 1050 when I go I guess. LM "works" for now.
 
mdragon9 said:
and being an a&^hole is still being an a&*hole even if you commonly believe saying "sorry" makes it right, there was no need for the excrement comment to make your point

but fair is fair on the caliber change over and you've got the hands on experience. I admit to drooling over a 1050. That's a great machine.
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Forgive me, but I'm of the belief that if you stand silent and allow a lie to pass as truth, you're complicit in the lie. If it's a myth and not a lie, disspell the myth. Subtle is rarely used to describe me. Your description is more to the point. I'm ok with that.
 
heavenIsAlie said:
1050 = 500 9mm rounds in 11 min

thats why its expensive
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I look at it from the other end of the equation. How valuable is the 49 minutes you save? Put a dollar value on it. Multiply it by the amount of ammo you need each year.

How long before the initial price difference seems trivial?
 
Kryogen said:
so with your money, you guys would get the 650 or the 1050?
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If you can afford it, buy the 1050 in 9mm and the conversion kit in .223Rem plus the small rifle shellplate.

After a year if you regret spending the money, sell it and replace it with the 650. Use the difference to buy more components.
 
For high volume loading I use a 650 with a case feeder. High volume to me is 3000 in one go.

For most of my dinking around i use a 550 and I have 7 tool heads and several shell plates for it. I wait until i have 1000 to 2000 cases to load in a given caliber, then change over and load them up. A change over does not take very long. In the order of 10 minutes.

I find changing the powder thrower bar from pistol to rifle a bit of a pain, and intend to get a second powder thrower for that reason.
 
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