which do you prefer and why?
- Thread starter moose_hunter
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.(messed up on the pole a bit but im sure you get the idea)
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Detach Mag
perfer a detachable Mag as it is easier to load and unload..no dropped shells in the mud/snow in and out of vehicals or on off bikes...sooooo much nicer....by the way Browning has gone back to a detachable box mag on their new X-bolt rifles this year..anyone remember the BBR's???
that's my two cents worth anyways (1.5 after taxes)
perfer a detachable Mag as it is easier to load and unload..no dropped shells in the mud/snow in and out of vehicals or on off bikes...sooooo much nicer....by the way Browning has gone back to a detachable box mag on their new X-bolt rifles this year..anyone remember the BBR's???
that's my two cents worth anyways (1.5 after taxes)
I can't vote because I don't have experience with all of them.
I can tell you that I HATE the Browning system that I have on my BAR - a hinge with a detachable box magazine. Maybe I'm slow but my brain has to do a couple of backflips before I orient it correctly. I also find it very difficult to remove - I need to hold the hinged portion with my left hand and push forward while pulling out with my right, the whole time while holding the rifle.
I can tell you that I HATE the Browning system that I have on my BAR - a hinge with a detachable box magazine. Maybe I'm slow but my brain has to do a couple of backflips before I orient it correctly. I also find it very difficult to remove - I need to hold the hinged portion with my left hand and push forward while pulling out with my right, the whole time while holding the rifle.
perfer a detachable Mag as it is easier to load and unload..no dropped shells in the mud/snow in and out of vehicals or on off bikes...sooooo much nicer....by the way Browning has gone back to a detachable box mag on their new X-bolt rifles this year..anyone remember the BBR's???
that's my two cents worth anyways (1.5 after taxes)
I agree with Jim on this for the exact same reasons.
cdn1canhunt
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The detachable mag is by far the best option in my opinion.Easy to load/unload, you can carry extra clips rather than loose shells (to drop in the
snow/mud/water ),fast to change clips. The top loader while many claim to be more accurate is proably the worst you have to fuss with each shell to get them into the box and out of the box (surely drop them in the snow/mud/water). The hinged plate although not bad you still stand a pretty good chance of dropping a few in the snow etc...(tired of typing ) when they drop into your hand. As for the browning mess it just seems a little retarted altogether. (a clip, clipped to the floorplate WTF...)
snow/mud/water ),fast to change clips. The top loader while many claim to be more accurate is proably the worst you have to fuss with each shell to get them into the box and out of the box (surely drop them in the snow/mud/water). The hinged plate although not bad you still stand a pretty good chance of dropping a few in the snow etc...(tired of typing ) when they drop into your hand. As for the browning mess it just seems a little retarted altogether. (a clip, clipped to the floorplate WTF...)
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I have owned 'em all....my STRONG preference is the hinged floorplate. It's elegant in it's simplicity, rugged, there is nothing to lose/malfunction/*forget*. I load my gun in the AM, and leave it loaded till I get back to camp/the truck. The three seconds more it takes me to load it that one time a day isn't enough of a disadvantage that I'm willing to put up with having to double/triple check that I haven't forgotton the mag when packing, that the mags have been stripped and cleaned, etc.
Besides, I can empty a hinged floor plate gun faster than you can pull and pocket a magazine....and anybody who compains about dropping shells this way just needs more practice Add to that that loading a mag is more of PITA than loading a HFP...unless you leave your mags loaded...which then leads to weak springs, etc.
At the end of the day, they both need to be loaded, it just takes fewer steps when the mag is built in.
IMO, the detachable mag is more of a hinderence than a helpfull feature in a bolt hunting gun.
Besides, I can empty a hinged floor plate gun faster than you can pull and pocket a magazine....and anybody who compains about dropping shells this way just needs more practice
Add to that that loading a mag is more of PITA than loading a HFP...unless you leave your mags loaded...which then leads to weak springs, etc.At the end of the day, they both need to be loaded, it just takes fewer steps when the mag is built in.
IMO, the detachable mag is more of a hinderence than a helpfull feature in a bolt hunting gun.
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I'm sure that's true, but your rounds would be all over the floor.
The majority of hunting rifles seem to be offered without detachable mags, which is interesting because the poll here indicates most people prefer detachable mags.
Personally, I would always go for a detachable mag and in fact that was the deciding factor in buying a Savage American Classic recently.
I prefer hinged floorrplates. I find it is fairly easy to unload (open right hand under floorplate and relaese buttom with left hand (lefty) and I like the fact that I can just drop a round in the top and chamber if necessary (some mag fed rifles only feed from the mag). I also have a tendency to loose bits and pieces, so a detachable mag is something to get lost somewhere.
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I have used all of the choices and prefer the detachable box mag.
easy to use, easy to load and unload, no loose rounds.
Yes you can lose a mag and they can be expensive to replace but I still like having my rounds all together nice and snug. And when you click the mag in you know your ready to go.
easy to use, easy to load and unload, no loose rounds.
Yes you can lose a mag and they can be expensive to replace but I still like having my rounds all together nice and snug. And when you click the mag in you know your ready to go.
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manbearpig
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ugh i voted wrong on the poll, you have 'detachable box magazine (internal magazine)' and i only noticed what was in brackets.
leaving a mag fully loaded with the spring under tension all the time actually doesnt weaken the springs - even over extended periods of time like 20+ years. this goes against common sense but its true.
the only thing that ends up weakening springs is repeated compression/expansion cycles. so people who constantly unload/load their magazines to 'save' them are actually doing much more harm than good.
what does really damage mag springs is bending them beyond their elastic limit such as forcing in extra rounds (like forcing in 31 or 32 rounds into a 30 round mag), or modifying/adjusting the mag by bending the spring by hand.
that said i prefer the floorplate system. up until last month id have said detachable mag, but three very recent events changed my mind:
1 - i just broke the small folded metal detent tab on my Savage magazine, making it wobble all over and have feeding issues. i had to duct tape it into the gun (Canadian engineering at its finest) as a temporary fix. Savage actually fed-exed me a replacement that i received one day after i called them (wicked service), but this drove home the point that the chance of a mechanical malfunction is much higher with a detachable magazine than it is with a sturdy old floorplate.
2 - i forgot my magazine at home just recently. the shame... and i was just making fun of people who forgot their mags a month ago. i store my guns in the cabinet with the magazines removed and i was in a hurry and completely forgot the magazine - although i had plenty of ammo. since there is a huge gaping hole in the action of the gun where the mag normally sits, actually having to chamber rounds in your new single-shot gun with gloved fingers sucks, believe me.
3 - someone pointed out that with a floorplate you can just open the floorplate and dump the rounds in, snap the floorplate shut and off you go. it never would have occurred to me to do this, for some reason i just naturally assumed floorplates were there to dump shells, not load them... but now that ive tried it its a very fast way to load your gun... although slapping an already loaded mag into the gun is still the quickest.
IMO the one big advantage of detachable mags involves the Canadian gun storage laws. if you store your non-restricteds in a locked gun cabinet/safe, you can have a stack of loaded magazines sitting right there on your shelf. so you just need to unlock your cabinet/safe, take out the gun, slap in a mag, and youre good to go. so when the zombies come, you dont have to waste precious moments fumbling with loose ammo and loading your internal magazine.
leaving a mag fully loaded with the spring under tension all the time actually doesnt weaken the springs - even over extended periods of time like 20+ years. this goes against common sense but its true.
the only thing that ends up weakening springs is repeated compression/expansion cycles. so people who constantly unload/load their magazines to 'save' them are actually doing much more harm than good.
what does really damage mag springs is bending them beyond their elastic limit such as forcing in extra rounds (like forcing in 31 or 32 rounds into a 30 round mag), or modifying/adjusting the mag by bending the spring by hand.
that said i prefer the floorplate system. up until last month id have said detachable mag, but three very recent events changed my mind:
1 - i just broke the small folded metal detent tab on my Savage magazine, making it wobble all over and have feeding issues. i had to duct tape it into the gun (Canadian engineering at its finest) as a temporary fix. Savage actually fed-exed me a replacement that i received one day after i called them (wicked service), but this drove home the point that the chance of a mechanical malfunction is much higher with a detachable magazine than it is with a sturdy old floorplate.
2 - i forgot my magazine at home just recently
. the shame... and i was just making fun of people who forgot their mags a month ago. i store my guns in the cabinet with the magazines removed and i was in a hurry and completely forgot the magazine - although i had plenty of ammo. since there is a huge gaping hole in the action of the gun where the mag normally sits, actually having to chamber rounds in your new single-shot gun with gloved fingers sucks, believe me. 3 - someone pointed out that with a floorplate you can just open the floorplate and dump the rounds in, snap the floorplate shut and off you go. it never would have occurred to me to do this, for some reason i just naturally assumed floorplates were there to dump shells, not load them... but now that ive tried it its a very fast way to load your gun... although slapping an already loaded mag into the gun is still the quickest.
IMO the one big advantage of detachable mags involves the Canadian gun storage laws. if you store your non-restricteds in a locked gun cabinet/safe, you can have a stack of loaded magazines sitting right there on your shelf. so you just need to unlock your cabinet/safe, take out the gun, slap in a mag, and youre good to go. so when the zombies come, you dont have to waste precious moments fumbling with loose ammo and loading your internal magazine.
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I generally like a hinged floorplate, but just this week got an e-mail from a friend in Ont describing a Weatherby Vanguard that had a magazine problem and in his words .... "the mag follower is binding on the mag well".
I just don't know now.
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I just don't know now.
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I have owned 'em all....my STRONG preference is the hinged floorplate. It's elegant in it's simplicity, rugged, there is nothing to lose/malfunction/*forget*. I load my gun in the AM, and leave it loaded till I get back to camp/the truck. The three seconds more it takes me to load it that one time a day isn't enough of a disadvantage that I'm willing to put up with having to double/triple check that I haven't forgotton the mag when packing, that the mags have been stripped and cleaned, etc.
Besides, I can empty a hinged floor plate gun faster than you can pull and pocket a magazine....and anybody who compains about dropping shells this way just needs more practice
At the end of the day, they both need to be loaded, it just takes fewer steps when the mag is built in.
IMO, the detachable mag is more of a hinderence than a helpfull feature in a bolt hunting gun.
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I don't see any advantage to a detachable magazine, and a whole lot of disadvantages.
