Which electronic powder dispenser??
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coleman1495
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Yes I follow warmup procedures and the scales are in a good environment.Typically the charges are within .1gn but they drift. I find after maybe 30 minutes you have to recalibrate.
Also one of them might read heavier/lighter than the other one on any given day.
I had a chargmaster and could not wait to sell it. If you think about it, what are you paying for? Convenience and questionable speed but at the cost of accuracy.
There is no automatic consumer grade powder dispensing system that out performs a person doing it on a dedicated scale that costs as much as the automated system.
If you are considering one of these I assume you have intent to shoot long range. If you are shooting long range then load precision is very important.
Even if the scale itself is actually accurate, the dispensing system is not all that precise. An extra kernel or two always finds its way into the pan even when trickling manually on a premium scale.
Bottom line, what do you think is more precise, a scale for the price of a dispensing system, or the dispensing system with a cheap scale?
Get a set of lyman powder spoons and a good scale or maybe a powder thrower too and forget the gimick.
As for drift, you gotta watch out, because there is displayed drift and not displayed drift. Often times these 0.1 decimal place scales will be off by 0.4 grains.. Yes that's correct 0.4 grains, but you need a good scale to detect it.
The sensors in most scales are either load cells on cheap scales or magnetic force reconstruction on better ones and both are sensitive to voltage fluctuations so you should use a battery backup with voltage stabilization.
One more thing, test your digital scale with a telephone or cell phone near by. The radio waves also makes it go wonky.
If you want a scale that does not need to warm up, does not care about voltage and does not get bothered by radio waves, look at Vibra. They make the best scale you're gonna find. But you need to understand the technology to see the difference.
There is no automatic consumer grade powder dispensing system that out performs a person doing it on a dedicated scale that costs as much as the automated system.
If you are considering one of these I assume you have intent to shoot long range. If you are shooting long range then load precision is very important.
Even if the scale itself is actually accurate, the dispensing system is not all that precise. An extra kernel or two always finds its way into the pan even when trickling manually on a premium scale.
Bottom line, what do you think is more precise, a scale for the price of a dispensing system, or the dispensing system with a cheap scale?
Get a set of lyman powder spoons and a good scale or maybe a powder thrower too and forget the gimick.
As for drift, you gotta watch out, because there is displayed drift and not displayed drift. Often times these 0.1 decimal place scales will be off by 0.4 grains.. Yes that's correct 0.4 grains, but you need a good scale to detect it.
The sensors in most scales are either load cells on cheap scales or magnetic force reconstruction on better ones and both are sensitive to voltage fluctuations so you should use a battery backup with voltage stabilization.
One more thing, test your digital scale with a telephone or cell phone near by. The radio waves also makes it go wonky.
If you want a scale that does not need to warm up, does not care about voltage and does not get bothered by radio waves, look at Vibra. They make the best scale you're gonna find. But you need to understand the technology to see the difference.
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There's something wrong going on there for sure.
I've had 2 since they first came out and have never seen any drifting in either one. I check the weights on every 5 with a beam scale. I calibrate once at the start of a session, and the calibration weights often show it doesn't need it again for 2-3 sessions after.
I'm curious why you have 2 but you say they're drifting and needing calibrating often?
You had some kind of issue going on there, not the scales fault. I always verify a few charges here and there on the CM Lite with a 505 and it definitely does not drift. Changing temps, flourescent light, static electricity, varying humidity, other devices like cell phones etc can all affect electronic scales. With a proper warm up mine has been very consistent.
coleman1495
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The calibration weights that come with the Chargemasters wont show much. You need a proper scale to verify.
Have been running mine hard for the last six months and its a real time saver for load development.
Wonderful machine and some of the best money I ever spent on reloading gear.
Agreed. I'm talking about 2 sets of small increment calibration weights that I have.
They vary from 0.50 grains to 50.00 grains.
coleman1495
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It’s entirely possible that something might be interfering with the Chargemasters but it’s impossible to nail down. Some days are much better than others. These Chargemasters operate in a good environment. All the tinkering I’ve done indicates they aren’t reliable. I’m checking the charges with a proper lab balance.
coleman1495
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With the equipment your describing you’d have to be very vigilant to see the error. You probably can’t see variance less than .2gn.
I’m using an analytical balance and checking every round. I’ve played around with these Chargemasters for years and I promise you that you can’t trust them.
I trust it.
I win match - Benchrest score and group with loads made on a Chargemaster.
To me, that all that it matter.
Many Champions did load for 1000 yards score competition with a Chargemaster. If it’s good for them - its sure do for me and most shooter.
Making people believe they need a $2000 lab scale and an electronic trickler set up to make accurate ammo, this is Bull ####.
Any electronic and even beam scale will do and be accurate to make match ammo, heck US Army Shooting team ammo was made on Dillon 1050 with a drop powder measure and they won, at one time or another, won every type of competition in the book.
Making your powder charge .001 grain exact will not make you a better shooter. You need a bunch of quality ammo - practice - learn to read the wind and compete to be exposed to what matter after all - to win and be the best shooter you can be.
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Munkey1973
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You winning matches is most likely the result of your experience, determination, and skill.
No amount of reloading will ever be a substitute for trigger time.
I wasn't a reloader when the Chargemaster was introduced to the market years ago.
But I'll wager you a coffee that some people who where already comfortable with their existing scales (digital or otherwise) felt that way about the Chargemaster as you feel right now about new balances.
BTW, They are not $2,000... the 120i and the autotrickler are about $1,400 - $1,500 all in (depending on FX rates).
I've owned both, there is no question that the 120i V3 is way faster and more accurate than an RCBS... maybe you shouldn't knock equipment until you have tried it for yourself.
nowarningshot
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Chargemaster.....i have two.
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- West Quebec
Same here works great
Can you share a link to the new frankford machine. Sounds great for bulk loading
