Which is better? M1 garand or a norinco M14?

slug1977 said:
i am looking at one of two rifles ,a m1 garand or a norinco m14 .I would like to know wich would be a better rifle?i can only afford one ,right now.tell me what you guys and gals think.
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cool....:cool:

whats better....hot blondes or hot redheads......get one of each and :bigHug:
 
Petrock said:
It's been mentioned every time I've ever read the General being quoted in all the old gun rags. Back in the day when I first said that $199 was too much for a Garand....... I'd give my eye teeth for a Garand at that price now even though most of them were pretty well dinged up but had good bores.

The reasoning behind the M14 being an improvement over the Garand seemed to have a lot to do with the larger mag capacity. The ability to change mags or charge from clips. The reduced weight of the cartridge allowing the shooter to carry more ammunition without sacrificing range or penetration.

You also have to keep in mind that the people who were writting these articles only had access to full auto M14s, and not made in China rifles either.
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Academically, 3 things give the M14 the advantage.

1) Magazine capacity of 20 rounds.

2) 308, which only lost a few 100 FPS loss compared to the 30-06. Performance was nearly identical at less then 200 meters for less weight costs.

3) Select fire. The benefits are debatable, but I can promise you won't find a soldier alive or dead that didn't love having the rock-n-roll option on his rifle, even if he didn't use it.

M14 is a practical rifle for the Canadian shooter. Inexpensive, fires a commonly available round that is suitable for just about every application in North America, part, accessories, and knowledge are abundant.

If you're interested in historical value though, nothing will beat a milsurp garand (except maybe a mauser).
 
If you can afford, it get both!

If you can only afford one my money would go to the garand. I have one of each and I love the garand more than the 14 for a few reasons. I like how the garand shoots, and the fact that the garand has history behind it. The Norcs are just a rifle to me. When you are shooting the garand and you hear the "ping" when the last shot goes it really gives you a sense of satisfaction. I can't explain it, you just connect to it. The garand is a great rifle to shoot. If I could I would have a whole safe of those and AR's. Just my two cents.
 
jamiejaf said:
Oh you got me there...your mom must be so proud.:bigHug:
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I have owned and shot a couple Norinco's.
One was a Morpheus 32 build.No complaints
They shot just fine especially the one from
Morpheus.I have owned & shot garand for 35
years.I can think of nothing else I would rather
shoot.I would take the garand.
 
Garand all the way!

Until the day comes when we can shoot Groundhogs with our TRW M-14's again.....( Never?)....The only other real self loading battle rifle out there is an M1 Garand!

Blam, Blam, Blam....chuck an empty clip down the Alley...Blam!

Cheers Paul

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Not really a straight comparison. They're different rifles in my mind. I enjoy both of mine, for different reasons, but I love them both equally.
 
No to steal the thread, I know little about Garands but I would love to get my hands on one. I was reading somewhere that the commercial ammo is bad for Garands and can ruin it fairly quickly. So for those who don't reload, this is not really a good option if you do a lot of shooting? What kind of ammo do you guys use for your Garands?
 
abalas said:
No to steal the thread, I know little about Garands but I would love to get my hands on one. I was reading somewhere that the commercial ammo is bad for Garands and can ruin it fairly quickly. So for those who don't reload, this is not really a good option if you do a lot of shooting? What kind of ammo do you guys use for your Garands?
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I use both commercial and reloads on my Garand. The problem is the heavy hunting loads used by some commercial bullets. The Garands gas system is designed for 165 gr. bullets. (Correct me if I am wrong)

Stick to 150 to 165 grain projectiles and you should not have any problems.
 
HMM let me think here,,,,Chinese piece of CRAP VS probably one of the best battle rifles ever made. The M1 is extremely accurate and reliable and considering wartime production,extremely well built. The M14 was an attempt to improve the M1 and it failed.
The Chinese version, although cheap in cost, cannot compare to either a M1 or a Sprinfield M14.
 
Want to 'scope one? M305, hands down.
New M305 vs tired, worn out M-1? M305.
New M305 vs really nice M-1 - a more difficult decision. M305 will be much less expensive.
I own a M305; a totally rebuilt M-1 in 7.62x51; another M-1, in lesser condition, in .30-06. The M-1 in 7.62 is the best shooter, but its strictly irons.
I have 12(3), so I could own a real M-14, but what's the point?
Possibly the best option could be a M305 receiver with all USGI parts assembled to it.
I consider the 5 vs 8 round situation irrelevant. But for sustained rapid fire, a M-1 with a stack of 8 rd. enblocs is going to do better than a M305 with a stack of 5 rounders.
A 5/20 magazine does make a great palm rest for offhand shooting.
 
The Garand, like a Lee Enfield, is a genuine piece of history whereas the Noriko's are simply nice copies of a good (albeit with a relatively short period of service ) US military rifle and which copies, due to our laws, have to be restricted to a 5 shot capacity. Now I've owned both a Norinco M14 and a Springfield M1 - I bought the M14 from Marstar and liked it, shot it, went to the "Wet Coast Clinic" (thanks 45ACPKing) and tweaked it, shot it, bought a book about the M14 to learn more, shot it, put on a USGI stock, shot it, got a scope mounted, shot it etc etc etc. Then, I bought a Garand...... Well, maybe it was the whole original vs Chinese copy thing, maybe it was the 8 rounds vs 5, maybe it was the accuracy, maybe it just 'felt' better, who knows who cares but the fact is that after buying the Garand I never once shot the M14 again and sold it.
 
mrd49 said:
I have shot both, and I strongly prefer the M1 over the Norc. The fact that the Norc is much cheaper to buy North of the border is a plus, but look where it's made and the track history behind that particular rifle. Soft bolts, kabooms, etc. I personally don't like the fact that you can't get low to the ground with the M1A type Norc with anything but a 5 round magazine. I don't like having my head exposed any more than necessary. If you get a Garand, it will last you your lifetime and probably the life time of you grandson. Not so with the Norc's. On the plus side, for the Norcs, as soon as were done eradicating the raghead terrorists, the 7.62 ammo will probably be more affordable than '06. that's why I have two M1's in 308.
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Soft bolts and kabooms was a problem for early polytechs and Norincos imported into the USA 20 years ago. That is not an issue for Norinco M-14S imported into Canada over the past decade or so. In fact, they compare very favourably to anything put out by Springfield Armoury. The owner of Fulton Armory, however, has a hate on for anything Chinese and continues to propogate this outdated and no longer accurate information.
 
Regardless of where your M-14 comes from (where we can all debate the pros and Cons of Norinco vs. Springfield M 14's/M1-A's). Providing nothing is wrong with it when it gets to you, the M-14 series is more user friendly. Mag changes/reloading is less finicky with the m-14. The gas system is also somewhat stronger, giving reloaders (or your ammo)a bit more latitude. Otherwise, a very similar family of rifles.
 
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