Which is more accurate M1A(SOCOM 16) vs. AR-15(16" Barrel)
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A tad subjective yes, but not really all that argueable.
I say that from a position of owning two of the three, (AR and Sig) and the experience of comparing match scores (DCRA Service Rifle matches 1-12) pitting all three against each other.
Yes the Sig and SL-8s can shoot, but for dollar to dollar, and as close as you can to apples to apples, the AR will out-shoot them.
Also, if you put a bypod on a floated AR, the bypod won't change the POI as it would with a Sig or the H&K.
Anyhow, back on topic:
If the M-14 platform could still shoot with the ARs they wouldn't need their own match at Camp Perry.
A 16" AR would run circles around a 16" M-14
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I did some reading this weekend and apparently the socom 16 is pretty shotty in the accuracy department. Some guys are happy to get 5-6" groups out of it. To me thats just not right as you could build a shorty m14 that shoots better for about half the price.
WHAT??? the Sig is a floating with an oprod. The SL8 is floating with an oprod. I have both, dollar for dollar all things being even, the POI changes slightly no matter what you do. Just try shooting your AR off the mag then kneeling. POI will change, if you were a good enough shooter to get tight groups. BLAH TO : the m-14 platform could still shoot they wouldn't need their own match at camp perry. If you are building a High power AR for 1000m it isn't dollar for dollars. The m14 camp perry match is shot without optics, take a look at the AR matches, it's hard to get a AR platform to shoot 1000m as accurately as a m1a does.
more ranting, but believe it or not I love AR's!
silly boy.
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the m1a socom's are ammo sensitive; the question wasn't which rifle shoots cheap ammo better, it was which rifle is the most accurate out of the box. Go put some Gold Medal ammo both .223 and 7.62 through the guns off a bench (as I have) and see which shoots better. When the "standard" AR has an accuracy at 4" MOA at 100m out of the factory for its Quality Control don't tell me it's more accurate, take it to 300m and you'll quickly see that the socom 16 is by far a superior rifle. Take both rifles to the 25 or 50 yard line and the ar will beat the m1a hands down for follow up.
my 10 cents. interest added = 12 cents now.
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From what I hear the accuracy on the sig black special is supperior to the AR out of the box.
A $3k AR (assuming you spent it looking for accuracy) will outperform the Sig.
If your playing the accuracy game past 300m you need a 1:8 or 1:7 (or faster) bullet to use the heavier bullets in 5.56mm. Many of the Sig's barrels are not good with the 73-77gr bullets used for this, due to their twist.
As far as freefloating goes -- for those recommending the Sig or Hk series -- the handguard needs to be floated too-- or else it will put pressure on the barrel - you cant say that the piston gives it freefloat ability.
If your playing the accuracy game past 300m you need a 1:8 or 1:7 (or faster) bullet to use the heavier bullets in 5.56mm. Many of the Sig's barrels are not good with the 73-77gr bullets used for this, due to their twist.
As far as freefloating goes -- for those recommending the Sig or Hk series -- the handguard needs to be floated too-- or else it will put pressure on the barrel - you cant say that the piston gives it freefloat ability.
The Standard AR you have must be a Dlask because correct me if I am wrong the standard is all military service rifles must pass in minuim 2 MOA accuracy.As far as the M1A platform goes it is a tossup between the 2 for accuracy BTW what twist barrel are you using on your AR and and which bullet wieghts on the 223 GM Match
While you can get a -14 to shoot, they wont last over a number of rounds. I shot some AMU -14's and every night the smiths rebuilt them...
Most of the M14's over here guys are now using irons -- as they are not worth optics.
As for the 4MOA -- that is mil acceptance for M855 ammo (hardly a stellar accuracy due to the penetrator), I have had Colt M4A1's and Diemaco C7 and C8's shoot submoa (consistently) with good ammo. A good (reputable manufacturer) AR gun should do 1-2 MOA out of the box (with a decent weight trigger).
A good trigger and freefloat and tighten it up -- but by and large in my experience most stock AR's will outshoot the user, and half the guys #####ing and moaning about the gun in fact are the actual reason for the bad group.
Most of the M14's over here guys are now using irons -- as they are not worth optics.
As for the 4MOA -- that is mil acceptance for M855 ammo (hardly a stellar accuracy due to the penetrator), I have had Colt M4A1's and Diemaco C7 and C8's shoot submoa (consistently) with good ammo. A good (reputable manufacturer) AR gun should do 1-2 MOA out of the box (with a decent weight trigger).
A good trigger and freefloat and tighten it up -- but by and large in my experience most stock AR's will outshoot the user, and half the guys #####ing and moaning about the gun in fact are the actual reason for the bad group.
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Right, and the point we all know is you don't have to spend that on an AR to out shoot the Sig. (All you really need is a decent, floated barrel and a decent drop in trigger -all that should go for under $1000 on top of a standard rack grade gun or a build up of parts)
Even after changing out the barrel on my Sig to 1:7 to take advantage of the
77smk handloads, it still under performs my AR.
Exactly. An AR can be done for the cost of an $80 float tube or the reasonably cheap floated handguards no one wants.
Neither platform is floated.
No, the POI changes due to the shooter, not the mechanical zero of the rifle.
None of that is true. The AR platform has surpassed the M14 for highpower, for less money spent on the platform.
It has been and continues to be proven.
Don't get me wrong, I like M14s very much but they no longer compete with the AR.
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The AR is unquestionably the better of the two when it comes to accuracy, and in a whole bunch of other things too.
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True, but the question was about the hardware, not the software (marksmanship).
