Which M internals are legal for AR?

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So, new project coming... going to join the millions and delve into the AR scene :D

But, before I begin...

Could someone who knows AR's please clarify on the subject; I've read a lot about M16 Bolts being better (heavier) & the differences in M16 carriers, etc. I am going to start buying bits and pieces so that one day I will complete a custom AR (thanks to AR15.com hehe)

Anyway, I just wanted to know for us Canadians, which M16 internals are allowed in for AR15's? Which M16 internals would be a big problem to be in possesion of (i.e. prohibited)?

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i believe the only part you would have problems /w is the automatic sear. Which is not a part that you would find in an AR15 lower parts kit, more over the AR15 lower is not milled the same way as an M16, such that some automatic parts i assume the sear and some pin, cannot fit.
 
Further to HR's outline, the only part you want is the bolt carrier, because of the extra mass.

While the M-16 trigger group is a novelty, it is no better than the AR-15 group, and installing it without the autosear poses some potential problems.

If you do decide to install the M-16 kit, get a semi selector lever to avoid an unintended hammer follow.
 
Exactly what Canuck223 said. All M16 parts will fit with the exception of the auto sear. If you have an M16 auto selector installed you will slap fire a second round, possably before the bolt is locked. This is someting you do not want to do.
*kaa-boom*
 
You can be in posession of the automatic sear, just don't install it in your rifle. You would have to mill out internal portions to do so, as well as install another hole in the receiver, so it isn't that easy.
The one item that is prohibited (and mere possesion of it is a criminal offense) is the drop in AR-15 auto sear, which is a mechanism which will convert the AR15 to full auto. These are available in the states, but are specifically prohibited in Canada.
 
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You can be in posession of the automatic sear, just don't install it in your rifle. You would have to mill out internal portions to do so, as well as install another hole in the receiver, so it isn't that easy.
The one item that is prohibited (and mere possesion of it is a criminal offense) is the drop in AR-15 auto sear, which is a mechanism which will convert the AR15 to full auto. These are available in the states, but are specifically prohibited in Canada.
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Which section is that? Importation of the DIAS is illegal as a result of it being a part soley for the use of an automatic firearm. Just wondering where you found the possession section?

103. (1) Every person commits an offence who imports or exports

(a) a firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition, or

(b) any component or part designed exclusively for use in the manufacture of or assembly into an automatic firearm,

Has there been any case law? Or A.G.'s direction, etc??
 
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There was a case in Ontario that my dad had forwarded to me a few years ago about a Ont case determining that the DIAS was in effect "constructive possesion of a machine gun" which fell under the converting a weapon to automatic.

IIRC this was circa 1996'ish
 
I dont see all the fuss about the bolt carrier, if you want more weight just buy the Tubb system.

I have it on my AR with a new spring(Tubb) and it shoot 40gr up to 75 no problem.
 
Which section is that? Importation of the DIAS is illegal as a result of it being a part soley for the use of an automatic firearm. Just wondering where you found the possession section?
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Since just about any full auto gun has a converted auto equivelent, the law about full auto parts in general has no teeth. The term "exclusive" kind of negates the whole law.
Below is the quote from the customs MEMORANDUM D19-13-2:



26. Subsection 103(1) of the Criminal Code reads as follows:

Every person commits an offence who imports or exports

(a) A firearm, a prohibited weapon, a restricted weapon, a prohibited device or any prohibited ammunition, or

(b) Any component or part designed exclusively for use in the manufacture of or assembly into an automatic firearm,

is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year.

27. In 1992, grandfathering provisions allowed owners of firearms that had recently been declared prohibited to register them as "restricted" weapons. As a result, the only part now designed "exclusively" for use in a prohibited weapon is the drop-in automatic sear for the AR-15 firearm. It should be noted that the importation of this item does not constitute a contravention of the Customs Act. It is an offence to import this item, but the offence is an in personal offence (that is to say, action is to be taken against the person as opposed to the goods). Consequently, the Canada Customs and Revenue Agency does not have the authority to prohibit the importation of the drop-in automatic sear for the AR-15. Local police authorities must be notified of the importation of this item.
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However, from the Criminal code :
Former Prohibited Weapons Order, No. 9

1. Any electrical or mechanical device that is designed or adapted to operate the trigger mechanism of a semi-automatic firearm for the purpose of causing the firearm to discharge cartridges in rapid succession.
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It does not specifically mention the DIAS, so my apologies on that one Koldt, but it certainly would fall into the definition above. So would the crank style "whammer bammers" which are available in the US. I tried to google a specific case where the DIAS was featured in Canada, but couldn't find one. I seem to recall a guy in Southern Saskatchewan being charged for having one in the last year or two.
 
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I remember the case of the DIAS. It was in Ontario and Cal Martin was the lawyer. Customs advised the local PD and they did a controlled delivery of the package, then busted him. Circa 1992-3 IIRC.
 
Again though guys and in specific canuck23, you are mentioning Customs, that section (103 CC & 26, 27 FA) is dealing with IMPORTATION rather than mere possession.

If anybody has some names,etc., I'll reseach it as best I can.
 
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If you have any intentions on taking your rifle south, no M-16 internals are allowed.
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Is this strictly a non-U.S resident visiting rule?
Possessing m16 internals and carriers is legal. Possession of the autosear with the ar15 gets sticky.
 
Mike K said:
If you have any intentions on taking your rifle south, no M-16 internals are allowed.
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i'm glad they never open up my rifle. i'n using an M16 carrier.


Is this strictly a non-U.S resident visiting rule?
Possessing m16 internals and carriers is legal. Possession of the autosear with the ar15 gets sticky.
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in the states ANY auto part in a firearm is a no-no. if you own an AR15 and have a M16 carrier thats no good either. an you thought our laws were wacked.....
 
If anyone can get the name of that case I'll pull the whole cite. I would be surprised if having a DIAS was constructive possession but I suppose it was an Ontario case..
 
in the states ANY auto part in a firearm is a no-no. if you own an AR15 and have a M16 carrier thats no good either. an you thought our laws were wacked.....
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Upon reading further it's really only the m16 fire control parts that will get you in trouble.

The m16 carrier in a letter from the BATF to Colt was deemed alright to use because in no way can it make the gun fire automatically.

Since m16 parts installed can cause the hammer to ride the carrier without the autosear they could prove it's a machinegun and land you in jail along with the idea that having the fire control parts can be considered "constructive intent" and is frowned upon.

The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. section 5845(b), defines
"machinegun" to include any combination of parts designed and
intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more
than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the
trigger and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be
assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control
of a person. Such combinations of parts are subject to all
provisions of the Act.
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In order to avoid violations of the NFA, M16 hammers, triggers, disconnectors, selectors and bolt carriers must not be used in assembly of AR-15 type semiautomatic rifles, unless the M16 parts have been modified to AR-15 Model SP1 configuration. Any AR-15 type rifles which have been assembled with M16 internal components should have those parts removed and replaced with AR-15 Model SP1 type parts which are available commercially. The M16 components also may be modified to AR-15 Model SP1 configuration
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If you can't read it basically it outlines that in no way can they prove an m16 carrier alone can make an ar15 rifle fire automatically.

There is the problem of different agencies having their own interpretation of the law. It is probably in your best intentions to leave your m16 carrier at home when going down south just in case any complications were to arise.
 
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Upon reading further it's really only the m16 fire control parts that will get you in trouble.

The m16 carrier in a letter from the BATF to Colt was deemed alright to use because in no way can it make the gun fire automatically.

There is the problem of different agencies having their own interpretation of the law. It is probably in your best intentions to leave your m16 carrier at home when going down south just in case any complications were to arise.
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The National Firearms Act, 26 U.S.C. section 5845(b), defines
"machinegun" to include any combination of parts designed and
intended for use in converting a weapon to shoot automatically more
than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the
trigger and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be
assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control
of a person. Such combinations of parts are subject to all
provisions of the Act.
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so who do you think will win in a court case. a letter from the ATF or the Constitution of the United States of America
 
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