Which of 3 Savages to buy?

jasonburnsdundee said:
a bit of a thread hijack. I have noticed in every thread everyone seems to be real focused on the equipment and mechanical accuracy. The difference between a super duper custom and a decent factory gun is about .5 moa.
which means 1.5 inches at 300 yards. A poor wind call could mean a miss of a foot at 300 yards. Seems like every thread is about the tools and not the skills.
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Hey Jason
That's something I've noticed aswell reading these forums...... but then post about equipment anyway. :)

When I'm out shooting with my friends, we all talk technique and bullet recipe's. But when I seem to plateau with the rifle, then I have to ask if it's me that's plateauing, or the rifle. My goal is to get a gun that can regularly shoot under .5MOA at 100m (or as close as I can come to that within a reasonable budget) and then start moving the targets out further and see what I can learn.

Unfortunately, the range in Yellowknife is only 300m, and there's not a lot of wind drift at that distance. It's not a good place to practice, but good enough to start somewhere.

I'd encourage you to put up technique threads in the forum, I think people would love to read and reply to them.
Barry
 
I Stand corrected a missed wind call will not throw the bullet a foot at 300 with a high ballistic coefficient bullet.

I to am limited to 300 yards in real estate for shooting. This is what I have come up with. I was shooting a Dennis Sorenson (guntech) build with a 1-14 twist. Shooting sierra palma 155 Grain bullets.


ballistically it with a 10 MPH wind it would drift 59 inches at 800 yards.

I practice with a decent 22 lr with cci stingers and a 10 MPH wind will drift the bullets 59 inches at 300 yards.


It is definitely not the same as shooting at extended ranges. But it does practice wind calling, sight alignment, trigger control and follow through.
 
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GeoTrekr said:
Well.. I can tell ya the box mag is going to add complications if you're looking for an aftermarket stock. You'll have to do the inletting yourself as there isn't a replacement Savage stock out there that accommodates it. It seems Savages were traditionally blind mag'd guns, it's only recently the box mags and hinged floorplates came out.

I'd love to find a replacement stock for the flimsy plastic one that came on my 111FXCP3 Combo, but I'd hate to buy a $200+ stock, and then f*ck it up with my woodworking incompetence (and probably lack of proper tools) trying to get the detachable magazine in there.
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Choate will supposedly have a Canadian distributer soon who can offer their tactical, detachable mag stock.
See: http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_p...&ProductSubCodeID=185&NewProduct=0&recordno=1
 
Jason* / Target* Your arguments have validity, but you will never become the best possible shooter without a superbly accurate rifle. In BR, it is about group size. In F-Class, it is about keeping your shots under .4MOA. A gun that shoots .4 MOA gives no room for error, and as often as not the error will put you on the other side of the line.

The one issue that most fail to comprehend is that their rifles ARE more accurate than they realize. It is their loading, their optics and ultimately their shooting skill that compund the problem and create poor results. I could never take the best set of golf clubs and win tournament, and a shooter could not take the best rifle to the limits of its accuracy, but it sure makes learning HOW much easier.

It is a double edge sword, only a good shooter will get results from a good rifle, yet a good shooter needs a good rifle to make it happen.
 
Obtunded said:
It is a double edge sword, only a good shooter will get results from a good rifle, yet a good shooter needs a good rifle to make it happen.
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Exactly... and how do you find out if you're a good shooter......... Get a good rifle! Edit: but how do you know it's a good rifle? Be a good shooter... crap.

I figure that if I'm going to be shooting my whole life (hopefully!), I might as well save a year and buy a decent rifle now, that pays dividends in the years to come, and only needs to be rebarrelled in the future. That way, as my skill increases, I won't hit the ceiling of the rifle's capability. Given that right now, I have gotten the factory rifle I own to shoot under 1", I am thinking of upgrading to something that is capable of more then that. Until then, I'll be trying to squeeze all the accuracy I can out of the rifle I have. I just ordered some Sierra HPBT's in 85 and 105 gr weight to see if I can do better then with the other ones I've tried.

Mystic, I'll check out a VLP when I can, I'd like to handle it and see what it feels like... sure looks nice! I'm not going to be carrying it much; if I hunt coyotes it'll be sitting on top of a hill somewhere, not walking too much so the BVSS stock appeals to me. I don't mind building one too.

Obtunded, I have thought long and hard about either upgrading my remington 700 or going the Savage route. It's a very hard decision, as there don't seem to be any laboratory tests, and everyone seems to have a different opinion. It seems there's more variance between individual rifles of any make then there are between the popular makes. It's hard too, that people will shoot one great group of .1 whatever, and then they're rifle "is a .1 rifle" on the internet forever after. That's why I set a goal for .5"/100m repeatably. I think it is a reasonable goal that would be a great accomplishment to reach, and would then open the door to other aspects of shooting disciplines (distance etc).

Thanks for all your thoughts and comments, sure gives me lots to think about. :)

Barry
 
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.5 MOA from a factory barrel is possible. A savage bvss is a decent rifle. It has a decent action and a decent stock. However getting .5 M0A from any factory barrel well that may or may not happen. In my opinion it is a decent gun for the money.

My advice would be to buy the BVSS, bed it and shoot it. If it shoots well then great. If not then rebarrel. If you have to rebarrel you are not out anything as the BVSS has as good action and a usable stock.

If you were building from scratch the BVSS action is 600$ so for an extra 189$ you get a decent laminate stock, and a barrel that will probably shoot well. To me that is a decent deal.

Have fun
 
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Just from my experiance, I bought a stevens in 223 a few years back ,bought a boyds stock, bedded it and light'nd the trigger pull and it will shoot 1MOA at 200 yards all day and a lot of groups well under with 69gr SMK's ,BLC-2 and FGM small rifle primers with the factory barrel. I scan all of my targets and they go in a binder for load data reference ,and/or for proof when people call BS.
There isent anything wrong with the savage or the stevens .
 
Hey go with the image you want to express. Some people want to give the impression they built the gun themselves. Others want to display the pinnacle of engineering for their spot in time. Myself I am the latter. No bling on my motorcycle. No mods on any of my stuff. I want to demonstrate my year class. You are the one you are.
 
Buy a Stevens or the BVSS to play with and home build while you get your 700 action trued and a nice accurate barrel fitted.
 
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