Don't whine cry and ##### when you someday find T81 will be on sale at $750. The same story already happened on T97. In a free market, do you think 200% profit margin product is reasonable and will be sustainable?
Which rifle costs more to build, Norinco M305/M14 or Type81?
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Don't whine cry and ##### when you someday find T81 will be on sale at $750. The same story already happened on T97. In a free market, do you think 200% profit margin product is reasonable and will be sustainable?
The type 81 doesn't seem to hold a candle to the m305 in terms of labour to build. The 81 is stamped from sheet stock and the 305 is milled forgings. The price the consumer pays is driven by the rediculous price everyone is willing to pay...
Your perspective is out of kilter. This is a hobby , not an investment . Like my love for cars, I get to use it and enjoy it but I have yet to make a penny on any of the 30 cars I bought and sold thus far but I have made money on the m305 and my collection of sks-d but most of the time I broke even.
Now where did you get the figure of 200% profit margin? So what is the actual price paid by TI?
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On second thought, I don't need to know. I don't base my hobby purchase based on what they make.
And their job is to make a reasonable return on their time and investment. I dont think $200 (or more) profit margin is out of line considering its a risky business to bring new toys to us Canadians, the market is so small.
And their job is to make a reasonable return on their time and investment. I dont think $200 (or more) profit margin is out of line considering its a risky business to bring new toys to us Canadians, the market is so small.
I don't damn well care IF they drop in price, why you wonder!?!?
Cuz I will already have mine and be playing with it
And this is it right here.
Awww I get it now, you have a beef with people that are cautious with their money and make intelligent informed purchases while you make emotional ones.
Good for you filling that empty void in your life by being first to have the shiny new toy!
Really significant accomplishment there....
No you have it all wrong, you are the one with the "beef" against TI, they way they are dealing and this rifle for whatever reason.
And you ####ing right I'll be happy with my shiny new toy.
I could care less whatevers do, don't buy it is cool with me, hate on TI is fine be me, it's drops in price doesn't me I'll cry but filling this thread up with that nonsense again and again gets annoying to people who ACTUALLY want this rifle.
But good on ya either way
And you ####ing right I'll be happy with my shiny new toy.
I could care less whatevers do, don't buy it is cool with me, hate on TI is fine be me, it's drops in price doesn't me I'll cry but filling this thread up with that nonsense again and again gets annoying to people who ACTUALLY want this rifle.
But good on ya either way
Milled/forged is almost always going to cost more to manufacture than stamped. Example milled AKs almost always cost more than stamped. I must admit though the milling on my m305 looks like it was done with a hand file haha. Anyway I dont think the type 81 is worth more than 800 new. I find better value in a vz 58.
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I repeat, I don't base my hobby purchase based on what the importer makes and that include your above figures. I mean I don't care.
I base it on my wants and needs and what i can afford.
You are cautious with your money, good for you, each of us must decide how we spend our money.
Having said that, why would bfiles (or anybody) care how you spend you money? And on the contrary why would you care how he spend his money. It's not like he's your father or your financial advisor.
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So um how many preorders did they need to sell before they could fund the production? Seeming that you have all the insider info and the fact that both models are still for sale right now! A number of people cancelled their preorders as well so it seems they took at least some risk doesn't it?
Don't get me wrong! I hate 100% preorders, been burned before, but I would be more inclined to believe your claim that they took no risk if they had actually waited to put the factory order in until they had sold all or most of the rifles which clearly didn't happen!
They only had to sell a fraction of the pre-orders to cover the entire order cost.
Ie...the retail price is $1000, they ordered 1000 units at $200/unit, they only need to pre-sell 200 rifles for example to have the entire order paid for.
Might also explain the few delays as well as they didn't have enough pre-sold to place the order.
that's pure speculation, but if that were the case, then all you gun nutz should be thanking us for preordering the first 200 so the other 800 could be paid for...you're welcome. But now if the preorder sold out, they should have been able to buy 4000 more units...so it's people who didn't preorder's fault we're only getting 1000. Shame on you...
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LOL
Didn't really ask for a speculative example but good try though. And TI did explain the delays already, I got no reason to not believe them and you haven't given me a reason not to yet. Keep trying though, it's been a interesting read so far.
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