Lol, awesome post
Which rifle costs more to build, Norinco M305/M14 or Type81?
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You will understand someday how much some dealers will take advantage of people like you...
The "HERE TAKE MY MONEY" crowd will eventually understand how the economy works when they have no money lol.
$1000 for a Chinese rifle is very very steep, with a very very large profit margin built in.
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ComradeVlad
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Its more like a "Hitzy complaining thread"
What next, you gonna tell us money doesn't grow on trees? Your knowledge on how things really work is quite impressive
. Give up the self-righteous attitude and do yourself a favor and just mind your own business on these matters. No one cares about what you think about their spending habits but for some reason you just can't seem to let it go.
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I posted on another Type 81 thread here about the magazine AK47's write up about the Type 81 in 5.56.
Timothy Yan, the author, basically said that in 1980's the Canadian forces decided to replace the C1 (FN FAL) with a new rifle. Norinco submitted a few test samples and quoted a price of Cdn$200 for 50k units. Canada went with the C7 (design from the Colt M16) for Cdn$2,400 per.
If money wasn't an issue.,,, what the H*ll another gun.
Timothy Yan, the author, basically said that in 1980's the Canadian forces decided to replace the C1 (FN FAL) with a new rifle. Norinco submitted a few test samples and quoted a price of Cdn$200 for 50k units. Canada went with the C7 (design from the Colt M16) for Cdn$2,400 per.
If money wasn't an issue.,,, what the H*ll another gun.
did the China made $200 rifle take stanag mags? Also DND is NOT the poster child for wise spending, fyi....lol, if the public knew how much money being funneled into the military was being wasted, there would be outrage, but the reality is, the military is not profitable, and operation costs are heavy...
Years ago (1989?) I bought a Norinco Type 56 new, boxed with 5 mags, cleaning kit, sling. IIRC it was ~$425 out the door.
Fast forward to 2004(?) and I bought an M-305 with three mags & sling for $399 +tax.
Fast forward to 2017 and I bought a Type 81 that came with 8 mags, sling & cleaning kit for ~$1275 delivered to my door.
Even at the ~$650 current pricing the M-305 is an OK deal.
I just received the T81 this evening, so haven’t even had time to strip it down but can already say that the type 56 was better quality.
All of them share that air of Norinco craftsmanship of course, so I wouldn’t say the differences would be outstanding.
I do sort of wish I still had that 56 if nothing more than to do a side by side comparison.
Fast forward to 2004(?) and I bought an M-305 with three mags & sling for $399 +tax.
Fast forward to 2017 and I bought a Type 81 that came with 8 mags, sling & cleaning kit for ~$1275 delivered to my door.
Even at the ~$650 current pricing the M-305 is an OK deal.
I just received the T81 this evening, so haven’t even had time to strip it down but can already say that the type 56 was better quality.
All of them share that air of Norinco craftsmanship of course, so I wouldn’t say the differences would be outstanding.
I do sort of wish I still had that 56 if nothing more than to do a side by side comparison.
I couldn't care less what the unit cost is to the importer, it's not like I could have just called up Norinco and had them ship me one for $200 + tax shipping and import fees. TI had to order 1000 units to get that price, they had to do a lot of work arranging everything, then they had to put up with all the complaining from guys who didn't think their rifle shipped fast enough. Making profit is the only reason they do this so if their retail price seems fair and it's a rifle I want I pay their price, if not I pass.
As for the original question for this thread, I have an M305 that has over $3000 invested, that is a true build. What is available for the T81 is not enough to consider being anything close to a build, I've modded an AK pistol grip and an AK pmag and that's about it for options. Which rifle costs more? Well that all depends what you want to do to them. You can buy an M305 for $500 and just shoot it or you can get stupid and pour money into it. Based on that and what's available the M305 costs more to build.
What's the point of this thread? Buy whichever rifle you like better and spend as much money on it as you want.
As for the original question for this thread, I have an M305 that has over $3000 invested, that is a true build. What is available for the T81 is not enough to consider being anything close to a build, I've modded an AK pistol grip and an AK pmag and that's about it for options. Which rifle costs more? Well that all depends what you want to do to them. You can buy an M305 for $500 and just shoot it or you can get stupid and pour money into it. Based on that and what's available the M305 costs more to build.
What's the point of this thread? Buy whichever rifle you like better and spend as much money on it as you want.
This thread is not the first place I have seen a unit cost of $200 USD (FOB port) quoted for the Type 81. When I posted that figure in another thread,, Claven2 lost his little mind and accused me of slander against TI! What a maroon...
The Norinco mass-manufacture build quality had me worried, and this quote tends to confirm my concerns. I too had several stamped/riveted Type 56 AKMs back in the day. They were all razor-sharp internal edges that sliced fingers and crappy salt-bluing that rusted if you looked at it wrong. I'm getting the impression that the T81 is more of the same. Too bad, but to be expected from a Norinco military contract.
Prob cost em like $100 each, same way ur $3000 macbook costs like $80 to make while the same one by microsoft is like $400. Your $300 hunting boots cost about $10 a pair to make. 
Atlest the $1000 you spent probaly about $500 of that stays in TI's pocket in the country. Its gunna benifit you in the end. Unlike that Macbook you bought at wallmart. Or what ever #### you buy from a merican company.
Atlest the $1000 you spent probaly about $500 of that stays in TI's pocket in the country. Its gunna benifit you in the end. Unlike that Macbook you bought at wallmart. Or what ever #### you buy from a merican company.
There are US made AR15's that retail in Canada for under $700 and you won't find a tool mark or any blem in the finish anywhere. Yet we accept Chinese guns made by blind kids in remedial shop class at $1000 these days.
They make them that poorly because we buy them that poorly.
They make them that poorly because we buy them that poorly.
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I'm pretty sure the "these days" quote doesn't apply to China since the barbaric nature of their manufacturing is the way theyve done things throughout history. (With a few exceptions). Also gotta keep in mind these guns spliced off a military order supposedly, doesn't surprise me one bit that the guns are made with the intent of there destination being one of a million expendable Chinese soldiers that don't give a damn.
Both Tradex and Epps cleared all of theirs out for $550.00. Comments or reasons?
Because they are non restricted. Most of us don't want a rifle if it's restricted even if it's cheaper and better than the non restricted alternative.
A couple years ago I would have agreed with you 100% since 95% of my shooting was at the range, now that I have my own land I can shoot on my interest in restricted has dwindled to close to zero. I still have a couple AR's and a few pistols but they never get used anymore. Having a non restricted I can shoot at home whenever I want is worth paying extra for.
May not work for everyone but it works for me these days.
Me too! You would think someone would put this deal on for Black Friday!
Me too. I'd assumed I'd need a new stock, new oprod guide, new this and new that, but first I took it to the range to see how bad it was.
It's frigging amazing, and I'm not replacing a single damn thing.
So far, anyway... fingers crossed.
