Which scope for target shooting at 350m?

[Mystic Precision]

I don't know about the mechanical differences in the 3200 vs 4200 but know that the optical qualities definitely favor the 4200.

Some will consider the optics fantastic and more then adequate for their needs. I am sure that many hunters/varminters on a budget are thrilled with how well they work mechanically if not also, optically.

For me, I need to see with a high degree of resolution either for competition or small objects are very long distances. The 3200 glass just isn't clear enough.

It is very obvious when you do a side by side test.

Jerry

 

[spenom]

I don't know about the mechanical differences in the 3200 vs 4200 but know that the optical qualities definitely favor the 4200.

Some will consider the optics fantastic and more then adequate for their needs. I am sure that many hunters/varminters on a budget are thrilled with how well they work mechanically if not also, optically.

For me, I need to see with a high degree of resolution either for competition or small objects are very long distances. The 3200 glass just isn't clear enough.

It is very obvious when you do a side by side test.

Jerry

Good to know. I am currently using a 3200 but have not pushed it past 400 meters as I am trying to work my way down the range in small steps. Biggest thing I notice about the 3200 is the thick cross hairs on it. Not sure if the 4200 is different but I think that will be something I keep in mind for my next scope once I get a bit further along with my shooting. I read the article on you pushing the .223 to a mile using a stevens action by the way. That blew me away. Amazing!

 

[CyaN1de]

With the V ring usually getting obscured, indexing off the 5 ring makes sense.
Jerry

Well then Jerry....just makes sure all your shots land dead center of the V-Bull then the kids don't have to cover the V-Bull lines.



I still prefer a smaller 1/8min dot so I can "place" it within, on, just outside (or further of course) of the V-Bull line depending on amount of hold-off.

Looks like they may well be on their way to giving Target shooters what they want.

 

[Mystic Precision]

Yeah, yeah, yeah...rub it in. The way things were going, I was happy to hit the black part of the target :-0

But, I am tweaking my setup so hope to be dialed in next match.

Sightron has heard the reticle issue MANY MANY times but since sales greatly outstrip supply, they are slow to react.

They are going to come out with new reticles but likely announced at SHOT in Feb 2010. My guess is their big mag variable will also be announced then if it is R&D'ed enough.

I am hoping this 36X performs as desired. It definitely covers all the bases. I am also hoping that with the very long eye relief, I can put my optical booster on and gain another 25% to 30% in perceived magnification.

My experience is that a fixed mag scope typically has better optical qualities at very high mag. This scope is definitely less money then the variables with desired features for a competitive shooter.

Will let you know....

Jerry

 

[colt45gunner]

scope for .223 up to 300 yds.

If i can get into this topic....I'm looking to get a .223 in a bolt gun for some fun target 100 - 300 yds...

i have thread already asking advise on which gun...thinking of going with this one...for approx. $1000.

http://www.tikka.fi/pdf/specs/T3VarmintStainless.pdf

but not here to ask advise on that since i already did that...

i want to ask...i have budget of $300 max for a scope..... and i do want the best scope i can get for this with at least 16x magnification and up to 24x .. should be more than enough...

i don't think i'll do any competitions... but want to have reasonably good equipment to enjoy my fun....

which scope is good for this low price...? i don't mind spending less on a gun to have more available for a scope... but i do really want a good gun with great accuracy out of the box and am willing to go to $1000 to get it....not likely to shoot past 300 yds... so not sure if the heavy barrel is still worth having for 300 yds...? but if it's even a slight worth it ...

if i was to shoot matches... i would want even better optics...but again.. not likely to do that.. so just want a decent scope that clear enough with good magnification and a mil dot ......
I was thinking of a Tasco Varmit 6 - 24 x 44mm
recticle: 1/8 M.O.A. Dot
it's only $200... i know these scopes are lower quality...but are they good enough to do the job for my use?
or the bushnell Banner 6 - 24 x 40mm
recticle: mill dot
also $200 ....
are these two good enough to hold there zero and reasonable clear up to 300 yds...?

If i was ever to really get into matches...i could upgrade equipment at such a time....

i am a dummy to this type of shooting, so please give me any advise with some details to go with any suggestions.

Thanks !

o.h... these type of guns seem to have 1x12" or 1x14" twist barrels... are the cheep 55 - 62. gr. bullets fine for this barrel type and for up to 300 yds...?

 

[Grantmac]

Your better off spending $900 on the scope and putting it on top of a $350 Stevens in .223 then the other way around.
You will never regret good optics and you can never improve cheap ones, but you can always swap barrels/stocks/triggers on the rifle itself.

If you must spend on the rifle the hit the EE and get a good used scope. Deals do come-up, I managed the get a 4200 4-16 Bushnell for a really decent price and this is the minimum quality I'd recommend for any rifle.
Cheers,
Grant

 

[colt45gunner]

well, i appreciate your advise... though i dont know if i agree with the opinion that the optic is more important than the gun itself...i believe they are both important....
i do want a scope that holds its zero and does not go off after a few shots .. i do want a scope that is not blury when at max magnification.....i do realize that a quality scope is importan.... but to what extent... again, if i was using for matches... i would save for a $900 scope.... but for average fun target shooting at the club i just want one that does the job correctly.... if it hold its zero and is not blury... i dont see how if its 300 or 900 bucks will make a difference ?
if a $300 stevens is as accurate as a $1000 tikka .. then i'll buy that.... and if its not.. than can a $2000 scope make the gun shoot staighter ?

is there a scope you can recommend that decent for up to $300 ?
re: gun, i prefer to get new and work it in and know how it was taken cre of.....

 

[Grantmac]

well, i appreciate your advise... though i dont know if i agree with the opinion that the optic is more important than the gun itself...i believe they are both important....
i do want a scope that holds its zero and does not go off after a few shots .. i do want a scope that is not blury when at max magnification.....i do realize that a quality scope is importan.... but to what extent... again, if i was using for matches... i would save for a $900 scope.... but for average fun target shooting at the club i just want one that does the job correctly.... if it hold its zero and is not blury... i dont see how if its 300 or 900 bucks will make a difference ?
if a $300 stevens is as accurate as a $1000 tikka .. then i'll buy that.... and if its not.. than can a $2000 scope make the gun shoot staighter ?

is there a scope you can recommend that decent for up to $300 ?
re: gun, i prefer to get new and work it in and know how it was taken cre of.....

Ammunition is expensive; wondering if your miss was a result of the scope, the shooter or just the wrong load for the rifle is beyond frustrating.

The rule that I've always seen used is take what you spend on the rifle then spend that much on the scope.

I can't recommend a scope for less than $450 new which is what a Falcon will cost. The only thing cheap and decent is a 10x fixed 3200 Bushnell, they are a great scope. The used market is s great place for optics though.

Some people seem to think that a $350 Stevens can be made to shoot better than a Tikka. But they are both factory rifles and you could get a shooter or a dud by the luck of the draw.
Cheers,
Grant