which semi-auto can be dry fired in SA mode WITHOUT racking / cocking all the time?

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question - from all the 9mm semi-autos, which ones can be dry fired repeatedly without having to rack the slide? i assume any of the pistols with an external hammer can do that - but are there any that would sense a "no fire" and stay in SA? or would they ALL revert to DA?

i'm guessing that dry-firing a Glock (or similar) would be a trigger-slide-trigger-slide affair, and a Beretta / CZ would be triggerSA-triggerDA-triggerDA type of deal. are there ANY that do triggerSA-triggerSA-triggerSA even when using snap-caps? i thought i read that some Taurus pistols can do that at least once - is that right?
 
my USP is the triggerSA-triggerDA-triggerDA type... I doubt any external hammer DA/SA will do anything else as the slide is tipically what cocks the hammer back for SA.
that being said, no need to rack the slide, just #### the hammer everytime.

I might be wrong tought, I learn stuff everyday here.
 
unstableryan said:
At the black badge course, guys with cz-75/85 type double action pistols could do that.

I had a glock so it was rack, click, rack click a lot of times.
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I SA every time? I can dry fire my USP all day long without racking the slide once, but it would be DA... unless I #### the hammer.
 
The question is odd, the fact that it is in SA means that it only performs one action-to drop the hammer. You would always need to rack/####.
 
ya, i was thinking mostly for dry-firing exercises to simulate real-world discharges at a target (where the firing cycles the action and put the pistol into SA mode automatically).

obv the fallback is to just #### the hammer or pull in DA, but i read that Taurus has a way of enabling a second pull in the case of a misfire (and a snap-cap would be the same as a misfire), so i'm not sure if they just happen to have a clever linkage that allows it or what (or if i misread it and mistakenly presumed that the second pull would be the same "feel" as the first SA pull)
 
Single action requires that the hammer be cocked either manually or by the slide cycling by definition. It is impossible to have a gun that can be dry fired repeatedly as a single action without first being cocked. All traditional double action auto pistols will reset to double action mode after being dry fired.

Generally, striker fired pistols have the striker partially cocked (by the cycling of the slide) when the gun is ready to fire in order to make for a shorter, lighter trigger pull than a traditional double action mechanism. Some DAO auto pistols, such as S&W third generation ones, also have the hammer at a half-cocked position when ready to fire.
 
BP7 said:
.... but i read that Taurus has a way of enabling a second pull in the case of a misfire .....
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Depends on which model of Taurus. But either way there's no magic or special design to it.

The Taurus 92, the copy of the Beretta 92, will dry fire repeatedly because it's a copy of the DA/SA Beretta. So it's naturally built into the gun.

But the Taurus 1911 is faithful to the traditional SA only 1911 design AFAIK. So it's either rack each time to dry fire or reach up and manually recock the hammer to dry fire.
 
My 1911 9mm CCO's. dry fire, thumb #### hammer, repeat.

HK P2000 LEM, dry fire, pull trigger to start hammer, thumb ####, repeat.
 
The HK P7 pistols can be fired in single-action mode (the only mode they have) with one hand only, no slide racking required. One does have to release and re-squeeze the ginormous cocking lever on the frontstrap for every dry shot, though.

Builds good forearms.
 
Glocks can.

Glock dry practice kit
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=805515

Glock Dry-Practice Kit - available for all models ...$54.95 + $6.50 S&H (includes insurance).

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http://www.rosssportinggoods.com/612600.html
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Baby Eagle can be fired with out racking the slide on either single or double action as long as there is a round in the chamber. Comes in handy when you get a stuborn primer ;)
 
Satain said:
Baby Eagle can be fired with out racking the slide on either single or double action as long as there is a round in the chamber. Comes in handy when you get a stuborn primer ;)
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Well, technically when the single action hammer fall fails to set off the primer the next and each pull from there is a double action pull until it fires. Then you're back to single until the end of the magazine or the next FTF due to a tough or raised primer.
 
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