Which Vortex Crossfire 2 Scope - Replacing on CZ457

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Hi there, I see there is another topic about rimfire scopes but I don't want to hijack the other poster's question, plus his/her budget is more than mine and he/she is looking for something in general.

I am however, looking at a scope, but have narrowed down the options to a Vortex Crossfire 2. However, there are a few options and I have been looking at Youtube videos and trying to decide, but this is not my area of expertise, so need some "layman's" terms...

So my choices are between

VBrite
VPlex
Dead Hold BDC

I know the vbrite is illuminated reticle, but I haven't seen any Youtube videos that show this through first person view. I don't plan to shoot in any really low light conditions, so may not need this

Sounds like BDC is more popular but requires more set up. VPlex seems to be easier to shoot out of the box directly.

My budget is $300-$400. I guess rings come on top of it.

Application is target shooting 50 - 300 yards, outdoors, mostly during the day, but sometimes at dusk. Will be paired with CZ 457 (plain Jane, not Varmint or MTR or anything like that).

My current options I am considering are:


Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x50mm Dead-Hold BDC Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x40mm V-Brite Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x44mm Dead-Hold BDC Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x50mm Dead-Hold BDC Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x44mm V-Plex Scope 1″


Would appreciate any feedback / input / suggestions to help me understand what may or may not work well for my applications.

Also ring mount suggestions very welcome.

Thank you.
 
None of those are going to be very good and even probably frustrating to use if you are going to shoot from 100 out to 300... a basic duplex and BDC reticles are not going to allow any precise 'holdover' for windage or elevation... You will want exposed turrets and a decent MIL/MOA reticle.
 
sk8snwmx said:
None of those are going to be very good and even probably frustrating to use if you are going to shoot from 100 out to 300... a basic duplex and BDC reticles are not going to allow any precise 'holdover' for windage or elevation... You will want exposed turrets and a decent MIL/MOA reticle.
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Thanks for the feedback. I am open to alternate suggestions within the price range - I know it's on the low budget side, but that's the budget. I only considered Vortex as I have many of their red dots on my other guns and I like the lifetime warranty.
 
Id agree about wanting a more precise reticle and turrets of you want to shoot to 300. In that price range, used Vortex diamondback tactical or a bushnell AR, rimfire or similar scope with a decent reticle and turrets. Cabelas Covenant.
 
I wouldn't say that bdc or vplex are any easier or harder to set up vs the other. Have you actually looked through any of the options you mention? I hear pretty terrible things about the glass quality on the crossfire IIs.

If you decide for whatever reason you don't want a fancy Christmas tree reticle I would recommend you keep an eye out for the vortex viper 3-9x40 on sale.

https://vortexoptics.com/vpr-m-01bdc.html

They're retailing for $429 right now, but I've seen them on sale $100 off many times over the last few years. In fact I bought this very scope for under $300 for my hunting rifle a few years ago and IMO the glass quality is very nice for the price I paid.
 
Suther said:
I wouldn't say that bdc or vplex are any easier or harder to set up vs the other. Have you actually looked through any of the options you mention? I hear pretty terrible things about the glass quality on the crossfire IIs.

If you decide for whatever reason you don't want a fancy Christmas tree reticle I would recommend you keep an eye out for the vortex viper 3-9x40 on sale.

https://vortexoptics.com/vpr-m-01bdc.html

They're retailing for $429 right now, but I've seen them on sale $100 off many times over the last few years. In fact I bought this very scope for under $300 for my hunting rifle a few years ago and IMO the glass quality is very nice for the price I paid.
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Thanks for the response. Yes, I have looked through the Vbrite one and both 44mm (one BDC, one Vplex). They all look good from examining them in the store and looking out window - I know, hardly conclusive, but I am coming from a cheaper than $100 Bushnell fixed 4 x 32mm that is older than dirt, so of course, anything is an improvement. Plus, I am not well versed at all the features. I realize in my budget range I will sacrifice some performance, but given where I am coming from, it is what it is. I think realistically 50-200 yards is probably the norm, with the low side being more for standard target shooting.
 
thegazelle said:
Thanks for the response. Yes, I have looked through the Vbrite one and both 44mm (one BDC, one Vplex). They all look good from examining them in the store and looking out window - I know, hardly conclusive, but I am coming from a cheaper than $100 Bushnell fixed 4 x 32mm that is older than dirt, so of course, anything is an improvement. Plus, I am not well versed at all the features. I realize in my budget range I will sacrifice some performance, but given where I am coming from, it is what it is. I think realistically 50-200 yards is probably the norm, with the low side being more for standard target shooting.
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Oh I know that feeling, I'm in the same boat with my bolt action 22lr. One of the scopes I'm considering is the Athlon Talos BTR 4-14x44, with the Cabelas covenant and Diamondback tactical both also on the short list.

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/P...-Talos-BTR-Tactical-4-14-44-APLR2-FFP-IR-MIL-

I really want the Athlon Argos BTR 6-24x50, but at $519+tax it's getting pretty expensive, not sure I can justify the cost just to put holes in paper. I've been wanting to get into rimfire PRS though and that's probably enough to rationalize the cost to my internal accountant... (the wife is another story mind you...)

https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/P...Argos-BTR-Gen2-6-24X50-30mm-APLR2-FFP-IR-MOA-

From the comparison I saw on here, I wouldn't buy anything Crossfire II. For well under your budget I'd get a Bushnell Elite 3500 3-9x40, $220 at Dante Sports right now. I had a Bushnell Elite in a 3-9x50 and I thought the glass was very good for what I paid (mind you it was a "$460 scope" on clearance half off when I bought it.)
 
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Is it true that the CZ 45x series uses proprietary rings? I have 455 rings on my 457 but want something higher but have been told that I need to buy the (overpriced) CZ rings. Can anyone verify this and if it is not true, recommend something a little cheaper that has a high/very high orientation option?
 
I wouldn’t put a Crossfire on anything, much better options (even made in China) . Try Riton, ZeroTeck, SIG for rimfire. Put a MDT rail on and use whatever rings you want, about the same price as CZ or Warne when you’re done.
 
thegazelle said:
Hi there, I see there is another topic about rimfire scopes but I don't want to hijack the other poster's question, plus his/her budget is more than mine and he/she is looking for something in general.

I am however, looking at a scope, but have narrowed down the options to a Vortex Crossfire 2. However, there are a few options and I have been looking at Youtube videos and trying to decide, but this is not my area of expertise, so need some "layman's" terms...

So my choices are between

VBrite
VPlex
Dead Hold BDC

I know the vbrite is illuminated reticle, but I haven't seen any Youtube videos that show this through first person view. I don't plan to shoot in any really low light conditions, so may not need this

Sounds like BDC is more popular but requires more set up. VPlex seems to be easier to shoot out of the box directly.

My budget is $300-$400. I guess rings come on top of it.

Application is target shooting 50 - 300 yards, outdoors, mostly during the day, but sometimes at dusk. Will be paired with CZ 457 (plain Jane, not Varmint or MTR or anything like that).

My current options I am considering are:


Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x50mm Dead-Hold BDC Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x40mm V-Brite Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x44mm Dead-Hold BDC Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 3-9x50mm Dead-Hold BDC Scope 1″

Vortex Crossfire II 4-12x44mm V-Plex Scope 1″


Would appreciate any feedback / input / suggestions to help me understand what may or may not work well for my applications.

Also ring mount suggestions very welcome.

Thank you.
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A side adjustable parallax is a must for your application especially a scope that can adjust down to 10 or 15 yards is something to seriously consider as well. I can guarantee you won't be happy with the Crossfire series for your mentioned application. You need at least 48 MOA to reach out to 300 yards with CCI SV. The Crossfire only has a total of 50 MOA from TOP to BOTTOM. At optical center you have 25 MOA UP and 25 MOA DOWN. If you mount it with regular rings you may get just 10 - 15 MOA maybe 20 MOA UP if you're lucky which get you about 150 yards without holdover.

If you can bump up your budget and go with the buy once and cry once motto and a good chance you won't regret it. The Diamondback Tactical 6-24x, 65 MOA total, is a great scope and has served me well over the last several years especially with the adjustable parallax down to 10 yards but I just upgraded to the Strike Eagle 5-25x, 110 MOA total, because of the illuminated reticle. I did some research and the Vemon is a no go because some reviews illustrated crappy optics.

For your 300 yards application also consider a 30 MOA base and the Burris XTR Signature rings for additional 0 to 40 MOA

Buy Once, Cry Once.
 
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A side adjustable parallax is a must for your application especially a scope that can adjust down to 10 or 15 yards is something to seriously consider as well. I can guarantee you won't be happy with the Crossfire series for your mentioned application. You need at least 48 MOA to reach out to 300 yards with CCI SV. The Crossfire only has a total of 50 MOA from TOP to BOTTOM. At optical center you have 25 MOA UP and 25 MOA DOWN. If you mount it with regular rings you may get just 10 - 15 MOA maybe 20 MOA UP if you're lucky which get you about 150 yards without holdover.

If you can bump up your budget and go with the buy once and cry once motto and a good chance you won't regret it. The Diamondback Tactical 6-24x, 65 MOA total, is a great scope and has served me well over the last several years especially with the adjustable parallax down to 10 yards but I just upgraded to the Strike Eagle 5-25x, 110 MOA total, because of the illuminated reticle. I did some research and the Vemon is a no go because some reviews illustrated crappy optics.

For your 300 yards application also consider a 30 MOA base and the Burris XTR Signature rings for additional 0 to 40 MOA

Buy Once, Cry Once.
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Thanks for the excellent information and input. I guess I would be stuck at much closer distance limits with the Crossfire 2. I am sure part of my problem is a fairly limited budget at this point. I probably can sell the Crossfire, save up for a bit and try the Diamondback. One of my buyers recently told me that for a lot of shooters, their optics cost more than their gun! I was dumbfounded to hear this. I guess I am just used to old Bushnell fixed scopes that come with rings to go on cheap guns that I don't know what I am missing. From looking through them at the LGS out the window I don't see much discernable difference with the naked eye but then again, I am not well versed on optics whatsoever. I really appreciate the information!
 
Peecos said:
I wouldn’t put a Crossfire on anything, much better options (even made in China) . Try Riton, ZeroTeck, SIG for rimfire. Put a MDT rail on and use whatever rings you want, about the same price as CZ or Warne when you’re done.
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I concur completely. It doesn’t sound like he wants to hear it though. Those who know, know. Those who don’t, vortex.
 
I decided to abandon my original plans with the limited Vortex options, did some more research, reduced my requirements, expanded the budget and ended up buying a Leupold VX Freedom 3-9x40.
 
Even for target shooting at only 50m I don't think I could deal with anything less then a minimum of 16X or more... but let us know how it works out!
 
sk8snwmx said:
Even for target shooting at only 50m I don't think I could deal with anything less then a minimum of 16X or more... but let us know how it works out!
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….why!?

I find shooting at 200m with a 7x scope to be extremely precise. Tiny little 1/4 moa groups if the rifle will allow.

You’re saying I should be using a 64x optic at 200m? Hilarious.
 
ALBERTA BOY said:
….why!?
I find shooting at 200m with a 7x scope to be extremely precise. Tiny little 1/4 moa groups if the rifle will allow.
You’re saying I should be using a 64x optic at 200m? Hilarious.
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64X? I said 16x would be the lowest mag of a optic that i would ever think of purchasing for any kind of 'target shooting'... I currently run 6-24s and 5-25s on my rimfires with 40moa of rail on my PRS style gun (could go 50 or more though).

Of all the rimfire matches I've been to I have never seen someone shooting a 2-7 optic... You shoot 1/4moa at 200m with your riimfire? ...please give us some details! Ammo/dope etc!
 
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sk8snwmx said:
Even for target shooting at only 50m I don't think I could deal with anything less then a minimum of 16X or more... but let us know how it works out!
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Unfortunately anything that Leupold has to offer that is 16X or more is wayyyyy out of my budget and price range.
 
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