Which would you get between these three : X95 or SG540-1M or CZ Bren 2

[Bartok5]

Bren followed by Famae although if I was going Famae i'd go .308 with the 542.

Just be aware that the .308 cal SG 542 is a 3-4 MOA rifle on a good day, whereas the .223 /5.56mm SG 540 groups approximately 2 MOA with decent (PMC) bulk fodder. My theory is that the SG540-series designers went with too light a gauge of sheet steel for the heavier-recoiling .308 cal rifles. The thickness of the steel appears to provide sufficient structural rigidity to absorb and/or counter the forces generated by .223 cal ammo, however not the more significant forces generated by the .308 cal round. I believe that the use of relatively thin sheet steel in the .308 SG 540 results in excessive receiver-flex and barrel-whip. Compare the relatively thin steel of the SG 540 series to the considerably thicker steel of the later SIG 550 and you will see what I mean. Somebody obviously shared my theory, otherwise how else do we account for the much heavier gauge of steel used in the successor 550?

Personally, I would avoid the SG542 like the plague. It may somewhat resemble a FAL (to some eyes), but it doesn't shoot nearly as well as one...

 

[Northern Shooter]

Just be aware that the .308 cal SG 542 is a 3-4 MOA rifle on a good day, whereas the .223 /5.56mm SG 540 groups approximately 2 MOA with decent (PMC) bulk fodder. My theory is that the SG540-series designers went with too light a gauge of sheet steel for the heavier-recoiling .308 cal rifles. The thickness of the steel appears to provide sufficient structural rigidity to absorb and/or counter the forces generated by .223 cal ammo, however not the more significant forces generated by the .308 cal round. I believe that the use of relatively thin sheet steel in the .308 SG 540 results in excessive receiver-flex and barrel-whip. Compare the relatively thin steel of the SG 540 series to the considerably thicker steel of the later SIG 550 and you will see what I mean. Somebody obviously shared my theory, otherwise how else do we account for the much heavier gauge of steel used in the successor 550?

Personally, I would avoid the SG542 like the plague. It may somewhat resemble a FAL (to some eyes), but it doesn't shoot nearly as well as one...

That's really disappointing to hear, especially with how limited our semi-auto .308 options are. I always prefered the looks (and price point) of the 542 over the APC308. Aside from those 2 and a couple bullpups (Tavor 7, RFB) I'm not aware of any other modern offerings that are still NR.

 

[Bartok5]

That's really disappointing to hear, especially with how limited our semi-auto .308 options are. I always prefered the looks (and price point) of the 542 over the APC308. Aside from those 2 and a couple bullpups (Tavor 7, RFB) I'm not aware of any other modern offerings that are still NR.

You are correct in that our current selection of military-pedigree .308 cal rifles is extremely limited. Nothing that I have tried (and I have tried them all) comes close to touching the consistent sub-MOA accuracy of my Colt USA LE901 rifle. This specific, monolithic design is the basis of the new Canadian Army C20 Sniper Rifle. Sadly, I am no longer permitted to discharge that rifle, as in the eyes of our political "experts" it has no legitimate sporting purpose. What an utter crock of sh#t!! But I digress...

The B+T APC 308 is the next most accurate self-loading military/LE style rifle still available to us (for now). It is a 2 MOA rifle with Federal 168gr Gold Medal Match ammo. Not terrible, but by no means a "precision rifle" or "SAPR" by definition. After that (for me) was the Tavor 7 with its (to me) weird recoil impulse and awkward ergonomics. I was able to wring 3 MOA out of my Tavor 7 during the brief period that I owned one. Dead last came the Famae SG 542, which was a heavy-recoiling accuracy dog for the reasons I explained earlier. By far the best thing about the 542 was its looks.

FWIW....

 

[Painkillers]

You are correct in that our current selection of military-pedigree .308 cal rifles is extremely limited. Nothing that I have tried (and I have tried them all) comes close to touching the consistent sub-MOA accuracy of my Colt USA LE901 rifle. This specific, monolithic design is the basis of the new Canadian Army C20 Sniper Rifle. Sadly, I am no longer permitted to discharge that rifle, as in the eyes of our political "experts" it has no legitimate sporting purpose. What an utter crock of sh#t!! But I digress...

The B+T APC 308 is the next most accurate self-loading military/LE style rifle still available to us (for now). It is a 2 MOA rufle with Federal 168gr Gold Medal Match ammo. Not terrible, but by no means a "precision rifle" or "SAPR" by definition. After that (for me) was the Tavor 7 with its (to me) weird recoil impimpulse and awkward ergonomics. I was able to wring 3 MOA out of my Tavor 7 during the brief period that I owned one. Dead last came the Famae SG 542, which was a heavy-recoiling accuracy dog for the reasons I explained earlier. By far the best thing about the 542 was its looks.

FWIW....

How would you stack up the FN (C1) in .308 vs the Tavor 7?

 

[richmyster]

X95. Same length as a 10.5 inch AR with an 18.6 inch barrel and although it's a bit heavy it shoulders extremely light due to being a bull pup. Also very easy and fast to fully disassemble. And if you go Geissele the trigger becomes quite excellent.

 

[Bartok5]

How would you stack up the FN (C1) in .308 vs the Tavor 7?

I am admittedly biased, having comfortably carried the FNC1A1 rifle and C2A1 LAR for six years in the Army Reserves back in the early 1980s. That said, I also much prefer a conventional rifle layout in terms of ergonomics and recoil management, especially if a firearm is chambered in a harder-hitting calibre such as .308 cal. With accuracy being approximately on par between the Tavor 7 and the FNC1A1 (2-3 MOA), it comes down to characteristics such as reliability, weight, ease of stripping and assembly, ergonomics, and so forth. I am a Right-handed shooter, so the FNC1A1 controls are laid out perfectly for me whereas this would definitely not be the case for a Lefty... And so on and so forth. For me, the FNC1A1 wins hands-down because I know and trust it. The only real advantage of the Tavor 7 over the FN C1A1 is (IMHO) the former's shorter overall length. While not insignificant, I can live with the C1A1's longer length - depending on how dense the foliage is where I am to be operating....

 

[Painkillers]

I am admittedly biased, having comfortably carried the FNC1A1 rifle and C2A1 LAR for six years in the Army Reserves back in the early 1980s. That said, I also much prefer a conventional rifle layout in terms of ergonomics and recoil management, especially if a firearm is chambered in a harder-hitting calibre such as .308 cal. With accuracy being approximately on par between the Tavor 7 and the FNC1A1 (2-3 MOA), it comes down to characteristics such as reliability, weight, ease of stripping and assembly, ergonomics, and so forth. I am a Right-handed shooter, so the FNC1A1 controls are laid out perfectly for me whereas this would definitely not be the case for a Lefty... And so on and so forth. For me, the FNC1A1 wins hands-down because I know and trust it. The only real advantage of the Tavor 7 over the FN C1A1 is (IMHO) the former's shorter overall length. While not insignificant, I can live with the C1A1's longer length - depending on how dense the foliage is where I am to be operating....

Thanks.

 

[caramel]

My Tavor7 rank up my list for 308 performance. I think it's even more fun than my AR10