Which would you pick?

Thinking about the same myself and planning to go NP29 if i pull the trigger on a 9.
Im a revolver guy and make all the IDPA guys jealous shooting ESR. Ive had 9s before but keep the wheelgun.
Get a GP100!
 
I have owned the ppx, solid gun, great pistol, I have a p250, like the double action pull, lots of fun, great price. Stay away from norinco, if you want a 1911, buy a better one from the get go...and not to mention sending your money to support china? Hmmm Trump is right about a few things? oh forgot to mention you can t go wrong with a glock, new or used. Nice thing bout 1911 s lots of parts and gear around for them....good luck
 
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Have you gone around to the Wild West shop and rented a few of their guns to try?

There's no bad options on your list. But each one fits our hands differently then the others. And finding The One that folds naturally into your grip consistently and with good overall contact pressure all around the grip area is a big key element for success for both accuracy and speed. And only YOU can figure out which guns fits your hand correctly. And that means trying a lot of them. Then form your own short list and go try the ones of the short list again. And although I know that a visit to the Wild West range and renting their guns isn't cheap in the long run it will be money well spent if it points you to your perfect fitting gun.

I'd suggest that you add CZ to your list to at least try.

What you want to feel is a sense of even contact pressure all the way around the grip and along the full length of the back strap. If you have pockets of low contact pressure then you also end up with spots of higher pressure. And during recoil the gun can pivot on those points of higher pressure and slip where the contact pressure is low. by finding a gun and learning the proper grip that gives you a consistent even contact pressure all over the gun you'll find that it both stays in place better and also assumes a natural and consistent grip more naturally. All the stuff that you want if you want to shoot the gun well.

The other things about how the mechanical parts of the gun perform are all more or less equal. Like I said up higher you don't have any dogs on that short list. So it comes down to how the gun matches up to YOU. And all the interwebz babble about "buy this because I use it and love it" means diddly squat for you. You need to find your own fit. Otherwise it's like asking a guy if he finds his shoes comfy and then buying a pair untested because of what they said. You'd never do that... I hope....
 
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Have you gone around to the Wild West shop and rented a few of their guns to try?

There's no bad options on your list. But each one fits our hands differently then the others. And finding The One that folds naturally into your grip consistently and with good overall contact pressure all around the grip area is a big key element for success for both accuracy and speed. And only YOU can figure out which guns fits your hand correctly. And that means trying a lot of them. Then form your own short list and go try the ones of the short list again. And although I know that a visit to the Wild West range and renting their guns isn't cheap in the long run it will be money well spent if it points you to your perfect fitting gun.

I'd suggest that you add CZ to your list to at least try.

What you want to feel is a sense of even contact pressure all the way around the grip and along the full length of the back strap. If you have pockets of low contact pressure then you also end up with spots of higher pressure. And during recoil the gun can pivot on those points of higher pressure and slip where the contact pressure is low. by finding a gun and learning the proper grip that gives you a consistent even contact pressure all over the gun you'll find that it both stays in place better and also assumes a natural and consistent grip more naturally. All the stuff that you want if you want to shoot the gun well.

The other things about how the mechanical parts of the gun perform are all more or less equal. Like I said up higher you don't have any dogs on that short list. So it comes down to how the gun matches up to YOU. And all the interwebz babble about "buy this because I use it and love it" means diddly squat for you. You need to find your own fit. Otherwise it's like asking a guy if he finds his shoes comfy and then buying a pair untested because of what they said. You'd never do that... I hope....
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I have handled most of the guns on the list. The PPX and tokarevs feel nice in the hand. 1911s, FMK and glock are ok. Never got to play with a 250 or hi point. I was mostly looking for the everyone's experience on if it breaks easy, reliability, or has terrible accuracy.

I know not to blindly take fit advice from people. You shoe analogy explains it well. If everyone said the 250 is the best then I play with one and hate it I won't buy it.

I have shot a CZ and the are awesome but I am too cheap to pay what they cost
 
If funds are tight and you are looking for bang for your buck then you ought to at least try a Girsan (92F Copy or their copy of the Beretta Centurian). If you have young eyes (under 40) take a look at the 92S Italian Police trade ins. All three can be had for under $600 and represent very good value. All three will be as accurate as you can shoot and dead nuts reliable.

Another good bang for your buck pistol is a gently used CZ 75B or even new. The CZ 75B has a well deserved reputation for accuracy and reliability.

Any of the above will serve you a lifetime, be easy to maintain, and will have decent resale value if you decide to go another route.

Good luck with your quest. Find something you like and shoot it lots.

Take Care

Bob
 
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....but I am too cheap to pay what they cost
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Older used CZ's come up now and then. You don't need to buy an expensive Canadian Edition or the new Shadow II to get a great shooting CZ. Used original Shadows can be found for around the same money as a M&P range kit. DOH, I see that Canuck44 already pointed this out. Just call it a reinforcement.

Also how much will you shoot per month? I ask because when I paid the whopping price of $850 for my Shadow I'd already shot the cost of the gun in ammo cost within 4 to 5 months. And I didn't think I was shooting all that much. The cost of ammo for most of these guns will quickly make the cost of the gun seem like a lot less. This isn't a cheap sport any way you cut it.

As I posted before there are no lemons in your list. If any of them break on you it's purely the luck of the draw. Any handgun is a fairly highly stressed collection of metal bits and pieces after all. And just like with your car things can happen.

Since things DO happen you would be better off asking about which options have a good support network for them. Certainly the big names like Glock, S&W, Sig, Ruger and others along that same line are good for parts and servicing. Some others maybe not so much. And Norinco has little or no warranty other than what the dealers choose to offer on a case by case basis. For that reason I would only buy Norinco guns which I'm pretty sure are accurate clones so that they can be fixed with parts off the original brand/model of the guns.
 
BCRider said:
Have you gone around to the Wild West shop and rented a few of their guns to try?

There's no bad options on your list. But each one fits our hands differently then the others. And finding The One that folds naturally into your grip consistently and with good overall contact pressure all around the grip area is a big key element for success for both accuracy and speed. And only YOU can figure out which guns fits your hand correctly. And that means trying a lot of them. Then form your own short list and go try the ones of the short list again. And although I know that a visit to the Wild West range and renting their guns isn't cheap in the long run it will be money well spent if it points you to your perfect fitting gun.

I'd suggest that you add CZ to your list to at least try.

What you want to feel is a sense of even contact pressure all the way around the grip and along the full length of the back strap. If you have pockets of low contact pressure then you also end up with spots of higher pressure. And during recoil the gun can pivot on those points of higher pressure and slip where the contact pressure is low. by finding a gun and learning the proper grip that gives you a consistent even contact pressure all over the gun you'll find that it both stays in place better and also assumes a natural and consistent grip more naturally. All the stuff that you want if you want to shoot the gun well.

The other things about how the mechanical parts of the gun perform are all more or less equal. Like I said up higher you don't have any dogs on that short list. So it comes down to how the gun matches up to YOU. And all the interwebz babble about "buy this because I use it and love it" means diddly squat for you. You need to find your own fit. Otherwise it's like asking a guy if he finds his shoes comfy and then buying a pair untested because of what they said. You'd never do that... I hope....
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CZ would be an excellent option..
 
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