Who else prefers the old classics?

I get the feeling you are also very fond of moose.

;)Right you are. Heaven forbid, but if we were only allowed to hunt one big game animal, without any hesitation, my choice would be Moose. I've been making subtle efforts to 'steer' my Granddaughter in that direction for future hunting interests. So, for her recent visit, I added a few 'Moose things' to my den and she loved them.

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In my opinion the Moose is the super athlete of the forest. Also has the keenest senses of all. I love an animal that will stand its ground, punt wolves and repel bears. Swim like a fish, jump like a pole vaulter, run like the wind. Very brave.
 
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It takes several years in a drying rack to get a stock blank dry enough to whittle into a rifle stock. It only takes a few rainey days of hunting for that same stock to re-absorb all the moisture it can hold. Never mind the rust sprouting in places you can see (and places you cannot)

My favorite looking at gun is a #1A blued with a fancy chunk of wood, but when i go hunting its with a stainless composite rifle. Judging by all the pic's of wood - blued gun in the house, not many get the call come hunting season anymore.
 
In my opinion the Moose is the super athlete of the forest. Also has the keenest senses of all. I love an animal that will stand its ground, punt wolves and repel bears. Swim like a fish, jump like a pole vaulter, run like the wind. Very brave.

:)Again, my favorite and when we moved to and lived in the B.C. central interior, Moose was a major component of our diet. In our basement we have always had a small white:cool:;)trophy room available as winter accomodations for Mr. Moose.:D. Just submitted my draw card for Moose and in keeping in line with the primary focus of this thread, I have a new toy/tool slated for use on that draw, if successful. A Husqvarna 358 NM, blue with decent wood;).

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And some additional 'trim'.

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And as a second rifle, should it be required, Winchester 71 Deluxe in 348 WCF, my 'vintage' timber hunting package.

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It takes several years in a drying rack to get a stock blank dry enough to whittle into a rifle stock. It only takes a few rainey days of hunting for that same stock to re-absorb all the moisture it can hold. Never mind the rust sprouting in places you can see (and places you cannot)

My favorite looking at gun is a #1A blued with a fancy chunk of wood, but when i go hunting its with a stainless composite rifle. Judging by all the pic's of wood - blued gun in the house, not many get the call come hunting season anymore.

I started hunting about 1960 and have hunted in less than ideal conditions here on the west coast of B.C. and in the interior. With a little appropriate pre hunt or pre season care/prep and similar attention when conditions are less than perfect, with one small exception, the moisture effects you've mentioned haven't been an issue. That one exception was a Parker Hale in 308 NM I had when in the B.C. interior and used when I first moved to the coast. The moisture did apparently effect the stock and changed the point of impact. I stripped the finish and let it dry out for good part of the off season. Releaving a couple of contact spots on the forend I then sealed the wood with a product called Rez and added a finish coat. End of change of zero problem. No similar problems experienced with anyother of my firearms and to this day, no rust spots.

Once again, if a person feels the need of composite and stainless, by all means go for it. It won't be a path I'll be taking as I've never found the need and therefore I seriously doubt I'll see that need in the years I have left.
 
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Is this not the same sort of discussion about how some guys prefer classic/ older cars/ bikes/ guitars/ boats etc? Maybe in a 100 years when something like a laser rifle exists do you think there will be people hoping for the days when guns were made with synthetic stocks, stainless barrels and shot bullets instead of light beams? Just a thought. I'm a wood guy myself
 
It looks like I have to repeat my earlier posting. Here is what it was.
Blue and wood for me. have never owned either a stainless or one with a plastic stock.
I am not trying to influence anyone, as we are all different and like different things.
My gripe is with the industry that have so pushed the stainless and plastic, that many new hunters think they need this for a hunting rifle. My Husqvarna 30-06 that I purchased in 1949 has weathered at least 25 mountain hunts. Only mountain hunters will know the rain, winds and snows encountered on these trips, but my rifle never lost it's sighting and has not a speck of rust on it.
And here is that rifle today.
That notch in the stock in front of the bolt handle accomadated a Lyman 48 aperature sight, which was the sight on the rifle for most of it's trips.
With that aperature sight I also competed, quite successfully, in competitions for sporting rifles. In one notable match of prone shooting, with shooting at 200, 300 and 500 yards, I came in second, out of twenty some competitors. The fellow that beat me was an RCMP member, who had competed in Canadian matches in Ottawa.
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Thanks for all the comments everyone, nice to know I'm not alone.
I have one comment about bad weather rifles. The worst conditions I ever hunted in was a week of Caribou hunting on horseback in the Logan mts. in the Yukon, about five years ago. It rained every day, and nothing we touched was dry. I was hunting with a pillar bedded and free floated Rem 700 .35 whelen in a "classic" stock. With regular care, it never rusted, and never shifted impact. It did have a severe test. On the third day my rifle was pulled from the scabbard as we led the horses down a long, brushy and steep gully to return to camp. It was dark when we hit the bottom of the valley, and I discovered the rifle was missing. We returned the next day to find the rifle laying partly in a puddle and on some wet moss. One shot to check zero, and that afternoon I went on to kill a nice bull at about 200 yds. That is typical of the wood stocked bolt action rifles I have owned (about 20) If the wood is properly sealed and the rifle is well bedded, moisture need not be a problem. I learned about maintaining blued steel during many early season moose hunts in wet conditions. I did have one rifle rust, but since then I've learned that a wipe down each evening with a good synthetic rust preventative oil is all that is normally needed to keep them from rusting. Every gun I own comes hunting, NONE are safe queens and many have very beautiful wood and fine engraving. I don't subscribe to the notion that hunting guns need to get beat up.
That said, I just bought a somewhat beat up stainless steel Ruger #1A in 7x57 that will be my "bad weather and loaner" rifle. Stainless steel certainly is not necessary, but it IS more forgiving of bad maintenance. I actually like the looks of stainless steel. Plastic stocks on the other hand just don't look as nice to my eye. I also find them noisy for stalking in the bush. Branches can use a hollow stock as a musical "sound board".
I did own a Sako Greywolf M85 in .308 that I bought new and liked a lot. For a modern CNC machine-made rifle, it was very well built, accurate and ergonomic. It even looked OK to my eye. My brother in law wanted to get back into hunting and to encourage him I sold it to him cheap or I would still be using it. There are good modern guns out there, but unfortunately most are priced at $1500 and up. That's one reason I like buying classic high quality used guns, better value.
There is something unique about hunting with a rifle or shotgun that was built by a team of craftsmen who spent years learning their trade using hand tools and a keen eye. Those guns are more than tools, they are functional art.
 
My gripe is with the industry that have so pushed the stainless and plastic, that many new hunters think they need this for a hunting rifle.

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It seems to me that a lot of cost cutting measures are being marketed as "features". Injection molded stocks are quick and cheap to make. Stainless steel might cost more as raw material, but it takes less work to finish than conventional alloy steels.

A synthetic/stainless rifle might look pristine even after heavy use, but what difference does it make? They're still ugly and soulless compared to a conventional gun that has normal wear from honest use.
 
Myself, I've got a black plastic M14 and a synthetic Mossberg 535.
My brother got himself a BRNO VZ24 in 8mm Mauser.
We both did our research and got exactly what we wanted. I like how mine look, and he likes how his look. Why this is beats me.
I'm 21 and he's 18. It's not age related, what you like, at all.

On another note, I did not buy a plastic-receiver pistol!
 
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It seems to me that a lot of cost cutting measures are being marketed as "features". Injection molded stocks are quick and cheap to make. Stainless steel might cost more as raw material, but it takes less work to finish than conventional alloy steels.

A synthetic/stainless rifle might look pristine even after heavy use, but what difference does it make? They're still ugly and soulless compared to a conventional gun that has normal wear from honest use.

That's pretty subjective. I think a good quality S/S rifle looks far better than many examples of wood and blue. Nothing uglier than some gawdy high shine finish, white line spacers and some over the top checkering (or carving, for that matter!):D
 
That's pretty subjective. I think a good quality S/S rifle looks far better than many examples of wood and blue. Nothing uglier than some gawdy high shine finish, white line spacers and some over the top checkering (or carving, for that matter!):D

You've got a point there. I'd rather have an SS rifle in a good fiberglass or laminate stock with nice classic lines than some godawful abortion like a Weatherby Mark V or some of the more outlandish European guns.
 
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I kind of go to both extremes, but very little middle ground. I love my Remmy 700 SPS with 6-24 scope, my Mossberg 4X4 in 300 Win. Mag., my Browning BPS and my Remington Genesis Smokepole, but I also love my 1873 trapdoor Springfield. I've killed more rabbits with my CVA 45 cal. Kentucky Rifle and my 24 gauge Damascus barreled SXS than with any other gun. I've also taken a s__tload of spruce hens with a Stevens .22 shotgun. if I had my druthers, I'd rather send a finger-sized chunk of pure lead at a critter than a lightning-fast pea of copper-covered lead.

the only thing I don't like about the oldies is the amount of cleaning they require, and the hassle of cleaning them (non-removable butt plugs).
 
Here's another Old Boy that I'll be hunting with some other year (Winchester Model 1876 chambered in 45-60). I know it ain't stainless steel and black plastic stocked, but it's 124 years old and still going strong. Bottom line: I do wonder if the stainless steel irons with composite stocks are as absolutely necessary as a lot of people think. Now if I had a rifle on a sal####er boat, well, that's a horse of a different color. But I'm not on a sal####er boat so give me the Old Timers any day of the week.

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.... and here's my favourite varmint rifle, a Winchester Model 53 chambered in 32-20 made in 1926. Now I realize that 1926 is getting pretty modern, but I hope y'all will allow it to be a classic just the same. It shoots a 115 grain cast bullet at a blistering 1,150 fps. Now I reckon that there's some new-fangled varmint rifles that can shoot more than three times that fast, but the question is ..... is 4,000 fps better than 1,150 fps? Is a flatter trajectory better than a curved one? What does 'better' mean?

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You've got a point there. I'd rather have an SS rifle in a good fiberglass or laminate stock with nice classic lines than some godawful abortion like a Weatherby Mark V or some of the more outlandish European guns.

Point well taken but one mans treasure is fugly to someone else. I admit, while there are some that fall into the 'outlandish' I category have a few European rifles I think have distinctive yet clean 'classic lines'.

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By the same token and although they don't appeal to me, there are some examples of composite & stainless that exhibit, taste and common sence design. Again, there are others that typify what I've previously described as looking like a pulp mill pry bar.

Admittedly, I have a small few that fall into that 2nd choice group for me.

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