Who Has a Three Line Model Of 1907 Carbine Mosin Nagant?

Drachenblut said:
I might have to settle for a M-38 early rifle, say 1939 or 1940, as I owned a 1943 once and the thing looked like Boris had a bit too much Vodka when he built it, the barrel wasn't smoothed and looked like a slinky coil, the back of the bolt guides looked like they had been finished off with a blow torch.
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"too much Vodka"??? What do you know about russian ww2 history ? Do you know HO made these rifles?? - Women and kids,24 hours a day,they had 250 grams of bred a day,and they sleeped beside the work shop,because were so weak.And one Izevsk made 10 000(ten thousand) rifles every day.War time rifles technically had the same quality but they did't spend time on cosmetic looks.Did you see Mausers 1944-45?They looks ugly,even inside.I wondering you didn't know about it,Mosin-Nagant collector.:(
 
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With all respect, I did know about it, and am entitled to my opinion. For your information my grandmother was forced to work in one of those factories, Izhevsk actually, and was treated extremely poorly. She managed to escape just to be put back to work by the Germans in Austria, thankfully, as a draftswoman. She and my grandfather escaped, made it to the canadian/british troopers, and performed opera for them for a ticket to Canada.
 
In my opinion, every milsurp rifle, whether in original configuration or refurbished, deserves a place in history as "they were there". As long as they shoot straight and true and look proper, I wouldn't mind a wartime made 91/30 for instance.
 
Some of those ugly wartime 91/30s will he very happy to shoot 1 MOA if you feed them what they want.

Bedding them is quite difficult; that long, slender fore-end just makes things worse. Apart from that, they are a decent rifle in the accuracy department..... and quite surprisingly so. Any time you can get a minute-of-angle rifle with bayonet and all the kit, and 169 bucks, grab one or two or three.
 
smellie said:
Some of those ugly wartime 91/30s will he very happy to shoot 1 MOA if you feed them what they want.

Bedding them is quite difficult; that long, slender fore-end just makes things worse. Apart from that, they are a decent rifle in the accuracy department..... and quite surprisingly so. Any time you can get a minute-of-angle rifle with bayonet and all the kit, and 169 bucks, grab one or two or three.
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Very true - my 1942 Izhevsk 91/30 can easily do MOA with reloads. I have not however had to bed any of my rifles in any way.
 
weren't there several (as in 2 or 3) mauser carbines made in 7.62x54R that the czar wanted issued to the russian cavalry?
 
MiG-25, that's entirely possible. At one time or another, just about everybody experimented with just about everyTHING. Canada, for one example, was one of the first countries to test the Luger..... and I REALLY want one of those (the test guns).

Problem is that things got tested to death, other things were disposed of when the test was over, many test guns were private property and the wreckage went back to the owners and was scrapped, all that.

I have no doubt that a handful of Mausers might have been made with which to try the 7.62x54R, but it is known that the Tsar was happy with the MN-91 as an infantry rifle: he tested it himself as he felt it was his duty to do.

Mauser I would REALLY like to find would be one of the commercial .303s on a modded 98 action, made up for the Baltic before War Two. They seem ALL to have disappeared.
Closest you can get to one of those would be a Bannerman Springfield: modded 1901 Springfield action, .303 barrel, made up by Francis Bannerman in 1940 in New York and sent as a gift to Britain. Only 100 made... and I don't have one!

I'm gonna cry!
 
All right, all right. So you're smarter than me: that still doesn't say too much for YOU, friend!

Yes, Pattern '14 IS a true Mauser AND it's a .303. I just would like to be able to try out a Standard-Modell 98 such as were sent for sale to Estonia and Lithuania and Latvia, which had quantities of British equipment.

Something else I would really like to have would be one of the M-1910 ROSS Rifles used by Latvia in the inter-War period. Latvia got a bunch of these from Britain, likely Canadian hand-ins from when our troops were re-equipped with British rifles, put them into service as the "Ross-Enfield". I have seen photos of Latvian troops taken in 1926 and their rifles are definitely 1910 Rosses. Dear old "Uncle Joe" would have got all of these when he "protected" Latvia in 1940. As to estonia and Lithuania, I don't know if they had any Rosses or not.

There is a photograph in a recent Mauser book of a .303 Mauser rifle that was built for the Baltic region. Nice. Mauser .303 pistols are a LOT more common (London-proofed Broomhandles) and they aren't exactly common.

It's good to have something out there that you know is there, that you still haven't seen or fondled or owned: something to look forward to. Sometimes I think it must be boring to have $65 billion lying around; it would take the fun out of collecting.

Right now, I'm still happy when I come across a Lee-Enfield variant I haven't owned before. I know, I know.... small things amuse small minds.... but that's me!

Gotta keep laughin'!
 
Smellie,

Well, I agree, being young and a student, I have to focus my desire and wish on a very select group of semi-hard to get firearms that are not extremely expensive. I still have another 45 years to go before my pension! *chuckles* That is, if pensions still exist by then...

Cheers
 
Drachenblut said:
I owned a 1943 once and the thing looked like Boris had a bit too much Vodka when he built it, the barrel wasn't smoothed and looked like a slinky coil, the back of the bolt guides looked like they had been finished off with a blow torch.
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Apparently you don't understand that it was mostly children who made those rifles with little time to sleep and little food (sometimes people starved). The machinery worked 24/7 and there was no time or man to sharpen the tools.

Nobody gave a sh*t about the look, Germans had occupied 50% of developed land (just ignore Siberian woods, consider land where people actually lived and where you can grew crops) and country needed guns and as many as possible.
 
Drachenblut said:
Hello,

If you have one, please post and if you have pictures, I would love to see them! Definitely one on my list of someday-buys so PM if you would ever be interested in letting a young collector get his hands on one!

Cheers,
Drachenblut
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I know that one such gun exists and I think it is in France if I remember correctly. Really really rare!
 
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