I've never even considered spending near 2k on a gun before so I think that's my max. Around 1500 would be better hahaHow much are you planning on spending on yourself? What caliber are you looking for? The CZ and Zastavas are the most affordable, I've yet to tip over anything with the CZ yet as it's only been scoped and sighted in to date. Don't have a Zastava in the rack yet. The Mannilcher Shoenauer Breda conversion in 6.5x54 has seen some action and I must say I really like this rifle - enough to buy another Shoenauer (but in half stock) that will see action this fall. Also have an Anschutz 1413 in 22 Hornet that I adore. Would be a marginal caliber for blacktails on the island, so it just gets taken out to the range.
Had a Ruger 77 fs in 308 but sold it after a half a box of ammo: too light for the caliber in my opinion.
Who here shoots Stutzen (full stocked) rifles and carbines?
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If you're interested in a .243 let me know asap
gunrunner100
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I've got quite a few of them.
If Sask31 is interested, PM me and we can go through my inventory for one that may fit your budget.
If Sask31 is interested, PM me and we can go through my inventory for one that may fit your budget.
I have a pair of older Sako's - one in 243W & one 375H&H. They are probably the only two rifles I need ... Which hasn't stopped me from acquiring a few others.
I like 243w and also the 270w .... Both accurate and punch well above their weight ... Particularly when reloading the 270 with Nosler 160gr..... This load leaves the 6.5x55 so far behind that it is amazing to me why so many folks prefer the Swedish round for hunting....not to say that the SM round is shoddy
I like 243w and also the 270w .... Both accurate and punch well above their weight ... Particularly when reloading the 270 with Nosler 160gr..... This load leaves the 6.5x55 so far behind that it is amazing to me why so many folks prefer the Swedish round for hunting....not to say that the SM round is shoddy
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If you are referring to the 160gr Partition, it can only be driven to about 2800fps, and because it is a semi spitzer the B.C. is only .434. On the other hand, I can drive a bullet like the .264" 142gr Accubond LR to about the same velocity, and it has a B.C. of .719. So at 100 yards, the 270 has 125ftlbs more energy than the 6.5x55, but by 200 yards, the 6.5x55 has an energy advantage of about 20ftlbs. By 300 yards, the advantage for the 6.5x55 has grown to about 150ftlbs. As the range increases , the advantage for the 6.5x55 keeps increasing. If you look at sectional density, the 270 bullet is .298, compared to .291 for the 6.5x55, so it's pretty much equal. If you look at trajectory and wind drift, the 6.5x55 has an advantage at 100 yards, and that advantage increases significantly as the range increases. Recoil wise, the 6.5x55 produces slightly less recoil in an identical rifle.
Given those numbers, I don't see any advantage for the 160gr bullet out of the 270win, The numbers actually point to an advantage for the 6.5x55. Of course you are going to point out that the 6.5x55 has the advantage because of the much higher B.C. of the bullet, and you are correct, but the fact is that most 270win rifles come with a 1 in 10" twist rate, which will not stabilize a high B.C. 160gr .277" bullet. On the other hand, the 1 in 8" twist that many 6.5x55 rifles come with, have no problems stabilizing a high B.C. 142gr .264" bullet. So for the vast majority of factory rifles, with the standard rate of twist for each chambering , I see the 6.5x55 as having the advantage for a general use hunting cartridge.
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if we assume that you can get 2800fps with your 142gr Accubond LR - my .270W BRNO with 24" barrel and 160gr NP delivers (if I am to believe the Hornady Ballistic Calculator) - compared to the 6.5x55 - more than 600 ft-lb at the muzzle, 400 ft-lb at 100yd, 220 ft-lb at 200 yd. and still exceeds the SM at 300.
Too few people bother to try this bullet -- for real hunting - and it is a pity. And .. no I have no pressure signs with this load. It is unnecessarily powerful for whitetail under normal hunting ranges -- I do not know how it performs on moose .. but even if it is the same as the 150gr - it is more than adequate.
If you wanted to look at the long range capability of the .277 bullets .. I think it would be interesting to compare the 6.5x55 vs the .270 with a 150gr Accubond LR...the availability of slower powders has favoured the .270w case more than is taken advantage of.
I have many full stocked rifles, I just love the aesthetics......................
These are my Rem Mod 7 MS in 243, 7-08 and 350 RM
And here's my BSA fullstock 243
And my RSI 77 Rugers in 243, 250 Sav and 308
And my CZs 9.3X62 (366 Wagner) and 7X64
And a couple more I don't have photos of like a Sako AV in 308 and ............Zastavas in 7X57 and 7.62X39
These are my Rem Mod 7 MS in 243, 7-08 and 350 RM
And here's my BSA fullstock 243
And my RSI 77 Rugers in 243, 250 Sav and 308
And my CZs 9.3X62 (366 Wagner) and 7X64
And a couple more I don't have photos of like a Sako AV in 308 and ............Zastavas in 7X57 and 7.62X39
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Beautiful rifles Douglas, Thanks for sharing !
I'm just thinking how nice that 243 BSA would look beside my old BSA 458......
After posting this I realized that I just happen to have a 243 - size space in the safe ( hint ).
I'm just thinking how nice that 243 BSA would look beside my old BSA 458......
After posting this I realized that I just happen to have a 243 - size space in the safe ( hint ).
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Using 2800fps with both bullets, using the Hornady calculator, the 270 has about 130ftlbs more at 100yards, and the 6.5x55 is ahead by 20ftlbs at 200 yards, and about 150ftlbs at 300 yards.
To gain 400ftlbs at 100 yards, you would have to drive the 160gr Partition at over 3000fps. Nosler's fasted load with the 160gr Partition and a 24" barrel, is only 2828fps. Checking the Loaddata site, no 160gr load is faster than that. Noslers fasted load for the 6.5x55 with a 23" barrel and the 140gr bullet is 2790fps, so if you add an inch of barrel, that will get you into the 2810-2820fps range. I am not saying that you can't drive the 160gr faster than the Nosler data, but I am comparing reputable published data, not somebody's handloads that might be well above the design pressure for the cartridge.
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2950fps fwiw....I think the big "missing" here is that you are convinced that a case with a design pressure maximum of 30% greater than the 6.5x55 and a capacity of approximately 15% greater can't perform better than the 6.5x55.... Ok.. have it your way. I know different. The 270 is a "magnum without the belt" and it performs better than a lot folks understand. I am not "dissing" the 6.5x55...its a very good cartridge that was overlooked in North America for a long time....and for a very good reason....the 270 was and is better. These days its popular to denigrate Jack O'Connor... too bad actually because he didn't just fall off a turnip truck!
The original design pressure for the 6.5x55 was based on the older mauser actions, but with modern actions, and modern cases, the cartridge can safely be loaded to much higher pressures. Several loading manuals recognize this, so they have two sets of loading data, one for the old actions, and one for the modern actions. As to the 270win having more case capacity, it does, but your choice of the 160gr bullet, with a very low B.C. , handicaps the cartridge, and prevents the 270win from performing to anywhere near it's potential. If the 160gr was the only load offered, the 270win would likely have been a failure as far as sales are concerned, and it would likely be obsolete by now.
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There's a Sako Finnbear on Alberta Outdoors right now for $1300. 30-06
Or, if a genuine Mannlicher is your taste: https://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/mannlicher-schoenauer-fullstock-30-06
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Actually Kevan it's fairly rough, nothing major but plenty of small scratches and has seen a lot of hunting. The throat and barrel are very nice, and I don't think it has seen a lot of shooting, but she's been around the block a couple times. I was going to refinish the stock, but haven't got around to it yet, which is all it really needs to bring it back to 95% condition.
If you're truly interested PM me I'm sure we can make a deal, I just did a quick mental inventory and I seem to have about six 243s..................I love that cartridge...........but I really don't think I need six...........2 or 3 should suffice.
Sask31...........if you are interested the CZ 7X64mm in the photo (foreground without a scope) is of little interest or sentimental value to me, it was an impulse buy which I neither need nor want really. It has been fired exactly 50 times and is brand new, PM me if you think you may be interested.
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BigUglyMan
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An old pelter like you doesn't need a 458!
Johnn Peterson
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My Lipsey's Special Ruger 77 RSI in 250-3000 has over the last few years become my favorite deer rifle.
A short while ago I picked up a 'close relative' to yours but in 7x57.
Have the same purpose in mind for it.Hah!! I'll bet its been on my gun rack since before you were born !!
