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sk8snwmx said:
For sure, all of the ammo that I shoot is subsonic, but I pretty well only shoot bolt guns so the action isn't the problem, well I can't say that sometimes the action (me) IS the problem. Blazer is bulk stuff made by CCI, the issue is usually the thick waxy lube, more prominent usually in 'match chambers'. But semi-auto is far more finicky, search for some PRS 'Ruger 10-22' shooters comments and see what issues they have.

There are also 'semi-auto match' rounds, but you might be just better off with 'mini-mags' or Federal bulk if you are just shooting for hunting as I would want more 'lethal power' if complete precision isn't the main option. But I would also stay away from 'stinger ammo'
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Yeah - from what I read, Stingers are buffer busters in the old Marlins.

I've had a few bolt .22s... and one of them was doing well within 1" at 50 yards with CCI SV. But I just really love shooting that 989. It's a reminiscence thing - it was the first rifle I used to hunt squirrels a long time ago.

Cheers,
Marlin989
 
Marlin989 said:
I'll check that out. The range I go to stocks Eley ammo.

But $7.99 a box? That's a great price - that's about what I would pay for CCI SV, by the box. And by CT, you mean CanTire?
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Yes Cambodian Tire, Crappy Tire, Chinese Tire..I just don't know if it's all across Canada. Just know my local one is selling it for 7.99. It was 10.99 a box, or 11.99 at another gun store. Its the best ammo I can get locally, without driving hours or paying shipping.

The day I was shooting apatures with my Mossberg 144. I used Federal auto match, as I wanted to see if it did what a website claimed. But that does little over 5/8-3/4" with my Anschutz.
 
High quality rifle, Match ammo in a lot this rifle likes, plenty of
optics [at least 24X] and good rests on a solid bench can produce
some amazing results. The ammo the OP is using is good "plinking"
ammo, but not good enough for any serious shooter. Flyers will
always be present. Good 50M target posted below. EE.
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Eagleye said:
High quality rifle, Match ammo in a lot this rifle likes, plenty of
optics [at least 24X] and good rests on a solid bench can produce
some amazing results. The ammo the OP is using is good "plinking"
ammo, but not good enough for any serious shooter. Flyers will
always be present. Good 50M target posted below. EE.
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Great shooting, no doubt. Now try it with my gear. :p

I did mention I'm not a serious shooter. Just an ordinary guy enjoying his shooting time. :cool:
 
Marlin989 said:
Hi,
Right now, I'm happy with consistent 1" groups at 50 yards. I shoot CCI SV mostly, though I did try S&B Canadian match.. shoots about the same as the CCI, but way more failures to eject. 1 or 2 per box with CCI, 5-10 with S&B.

No, I haven't experimented with a wide variety of ammo. I settled on the CCI after trying a handful of the usual mass market suspects.

My goal for now is to shoot more consistently with my basic setup. An old Marlin 989, 4x rimfire scope, CCI SV ammo.

I may play around with better ammo at some point... But I'm not a truly serious shooter. You can refer to post #20 here, if you're curious to see why I shoot at all. That said, I may go for the 100 yard challenge, which I think means that my ammo selection will become much more important. I'll see about that though... For now I'm just a hobby shooter.:cool:

Cheers,
Neil
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Nice to see you have reasonable expectations Neil. CCI SV is an excellent (and reasonably priced) choice for achieving 1" groups at 50 yds/M. I've had very good results with it in several rifles, particularly if I sort it by weight. Others may/will disagree with sorting by weight, but it most definitely works for me and I am most willing to provide photographic examples. It can work fine out to 100 yds/M (in a rifle that "likes" it.). The tightest group I've ever shot at 100 yds was .78" using CCI SV with my Enfield No8 Trainer.
 
islandguy said:
Nice to see you have reasonable expectations Neil. CCI SV is an excellent (and reasonably priced) choice for achieving 1" groups at 50 yds/M. I've had very good results with it in several rifles, particularly if I sort it by weight. Others may/will disagree with sorting by weight, but it most definitely works for me and I am most willing to provide photographic examples. It can work fine out to 100 yds/M (in a rifle that "likes" it.). The tightest group I've ever shot at 100 yds was .78" using CCI SV with my Enfield No8 Trainer.
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.78" is a great group by any standard, I would say.

Which aspect do you think is most improved from sorting by weight. I know this is not universally accepted, but I'm interested in your experience using it.

As I'm not gunning for extreme match level accuracy, I don't plan on putting much effort into selecting the best ammo, except to say that I'll be trying out some higher end ammo, just to see if it makes a difference in my rifle.
 
Marlin989 said:
.78" is a great group by any standard, I would say.

Which aspect do you think is most improved from sorting by weight. I know this is not universally accepted, but I'm interested in your experience using it.

As I'm not gunning for extreme match level accuracy, I don't plan on putting much effort into selecting the best ammo, except to say that I'll be trying out some higher end ammo, just to see if it makes a difference in my rifle.
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Group size is, in my experience, significantly reduced by using sorted ammo.
 
Flyers. The lower the quality of ammunition you shoot, the more of them you will get. And then there's normal operator error, the more I shoot the less that happens. But then, the more I shoot, the more flyers I'll see because I'm shooting more. It's kind of like a mobius strip, the more you proceed the sooner you'll come back to your starting point. Flyers.
 
Big Bad said:
Flyers. The lower the quality of ammunition you shoot, the more of them you will get. And then there's normal operator error, the more I shoot the less that happens. But then, the more I shoot, the more flyers I'll see because I'm shooting more. It's kind of like a mobius strip, the more you proceed the sooner you'll come back to your starting point. Flyers.
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True. You never really escape those little bastards. :)

Thanks to Boxhitch for reminding me to clean the chamber. And thanks to OkayShooter for suggesting Eley Sport. I had far fewer failures to eject when I shot the S&B. It also seems that the Eley Sport is definitely more consistent than CCI SV or S&B.

Below is an example comparing Eley Sport and CCI SV. <EXCUSE>Too bad it was a bit windy today, as I think the groups may have been better.</EXCUSE> I'm not including the best S&B group, as it was not that great. I'll probably be sticking to CCI SV to practice my form, and when I shoot for accuracy, I'll probably stick with something from Eley - I've only tried out the Sport so far. I can get an Eley sampler pack from Tesro, that'll help me choose a round.


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Getting some where. Personally I wouldn't waste my money on match ammo, if I wasn't using a precision rifle. It be like putting 91 octane in a K car.

I would re do the test on a less windy day. As those fliers could be anything. You are limited on your optic, and probably have a heavier trigger. But remember you have a hunting rifle, and can only go so far.
 
Looking at your photo of your rifle. Is your scope bell touching the handguard? If so it could explain some of the fliers. As the barrel heats up, the wood expands and pushes on the scope. That will transfer all the vibration into the scope.
 
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Getting some where. Personally I wouldn't waste my money on match ammo, if I wasn't using a precision rifle. It be like putting 91 octane in a K car.

I would re do the test on a less windy day. As those fliers could be anything. You are limited on your optic, and probably have a heavier trigger. But remember you have a hunting rifle, and can only go so far.
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That's a good point about match ammo - considering the price of it, and as you mention my rifle, I don't expect to be trying any of the really high end stuff.

The sampler pack has 5 sorts of Eley practice ammo - Club, Biathlon, Contact, Force, and Benchrest Outlaw (stupid name, but it's supposedly designed for semi-autos).

My optic - yeah. I hear you, but even if I wanted to upgrade it, I'd probably stick with a 4x. Maybe a 2-7x. The trigger though is not bad - its a replacement trigger assembly that's much crisper then the original. Although, you are right - it's not a light trigger.

Last thought: if every group I shot was similar to the Eley Sport group above, I'd be pretty happy. I've always wanted to wring every bit of accuracy and consistency I could from the rifle, and I may just be getting there.

Thanks to everyone who's pitched in their opinions and advice, and to the folks who have written very informative posts about rimfire shooting - it's much appreciated!

Cheers,
Marlin989
 
OkayShooter said:
Looking at your photo of your rifle. Is your scope bell touching the handguard? If so it could explain some of the fliers. As the barrel heats up, the wood expands and pushes on the scope. That will transfer all the vibration into the scope.
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It is touching a bit, I believe. I can slide a piece of paper between the two, but there's a little resistance and I can hear the paper sliding.
 
Marlin989 said:
It is touching a bit, I believe. I can slide a piece of paper between the two, but there's a little resistance and I can hear the paper sliding.
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There might be your issue. Need to get slightly taller rings or shim the scope to lift it up more. Also the wood when it gets wet, it expands due to the moisture. Anything touching the scope is never good.
 
OkayShooter said:
There might be your issue. Need to get slightly taller rings or shim the scope to lift it up more. Also the wood when it gets wet, it expands due to the moisture. Anything touching the scope is never good.
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Rookie mistake. :bangHead: Thanks for pointing that out!

I just put on a Simmons 4x - another cheap scope. Now there's almost 1/4" clearance between the bell and handguard. Next time out, I'll try shooting CCI SV, Eley Sport, and Eley Club.

I'm feeling lucky about this - but I'll have to see how it goes. :cool:
 
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