I hear all the time from buddies crying because their 50k deposit is tied up waiting for the condo to break ground..
Like they say" no tickky no laundry".
Id wait for the container to hit Canadian soil before putting down anything.
Who is buying a Type81?
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I hear all the time from buddies crying because their 50k deposit is tied up waiting for the condo to break ground..
Like they say" no tickky no laundry".
Id wait for the container to hit Canadian soil before putting down anything.
Well one thing this thread is doing is feeding the hype and keeping this rifle in the forefront of the forum LOL! With that said, and if these do actually show up in summer if you "waited til they arrive" you think you'll have a snowballs chance in hell of actually grabbing one that's not pre-ordered? They'll all be sold out in the first 10 minutes of being announced "they're here". Just sayin'....
So now paying 1k for a pre-order firearm is being compared to buying a house before it is built. Jeesus Christ people, time to get outside for a little fresh air. If someone has the cash to put a deposit on a house prior to being built what business is it of yours anyway? Shocking the amount of judgemental individuals around here, and you wonder why others are judgemental of you wanting to own firearms. You're really one and the same.
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The irony... judging people who are judging... Hahahahaha.
It's a forum. For discussion. People are discussing the pros and cons of every facet of this saga.
The odd thing is that people are getting upset about the conversation more than anything else.
Money had nothing to do with me cancelling my order. The lack of updates did it for me. I pre-order my APC556 and its also late to get here. But Wolverine kept us in the loop with what was happening.
The last update from TI was kind of a bummer if you ask me. I really want one of the SKS81's but dont see any reason to put money down until tbey are actually built.
The last update from TI was kind of a bummer if you ask me. I really want one of the SKS81's but dont see any reason to put money down until tbey are actually built.
The comparison is valid in that they use your money to pay for the shipment and collect interest on it, while delays keep putting off the delivery.
This isn't a " group buy" by a bunch of private people to get a deal like happens on here all the time, its a retail business and a small holding deposit is understandable to be first in line, but to go from that to " pay wholly up front so we can pay for the order" is a bit much.
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It could be considered as a group by through a broker/dealer. Actually that is far more accurate given how this is playing out.
I honestly don't care about the amount of the pre-buy personally. What I find extremely lacking is their willingness to communicate. If you look at other dealers that are bringing in guns without presales, even they chat and converse with interested parties far more frequently. The most popular retailers on CGN are popular because of their communication skills along with how they run their business.
Hell, Wolverine has multiple users commenting in threads amongst potential buyers.
Good salesmen know how to talk. Standing silently in front of your customers doesn't do well to sell a product. And the internet is just that venue. If you got no news, talk about having no news.
Quite a few grown responsible men and women, many who own their own successful businesses, have successfully raised many children, have never been bankrupt or otherwise skirted their financial responsibilities have deemed this arrangement to be perfectly acceptable. It may be a bit much for some but not for others.
I totally get what fenceline and others are saying regarding the communication issue but also see the predicament TI is in as well. Communication often just leads to more whining and groaning over the inevitable perceived broken promises. No point in updating if you don't have anything substantial to update and keeping quiet says just that. imo.
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Keeping quiet at times can imply bad news being hidden. No news is good news.... is not always true. Transparency, even when things are bad, builds trust. If people don't trust a company continuing to hold their $1000... that doesn't bode well for continued investment in a project. And that is why we are where we are.
I believe they can use TIs frt but what they bring in better be exactly the same or it's going to be evaluated for its own frt just like the 858 spartan...
I'm going to stay in until this summer if they aren't being produced at that point I'm out. I'm just hoping once produced it doesn't take too long to actually get here.
I have lost some trust in Ti and their Chinese partners. I don't know how long Ti knew about this or if they truly did just find out. I don't know if their partner in China is getting orders from multiple importers to bring a big order to the factory or if they just lied further to Ti to hold on to our money longer.
I'm going to stay in until this summer if they aren't being produced at that point I'm out. I'm just hoping once produced it doesn't take too long to actually get here.
I have lost some trust in Ti and their Chinese partners. I don't know how long Ti knew about this or if they truly did just find out. I don't know if their partner in China is getting orders from multiple importers to bring a big order to the factory or if they just lied further to Ti to hold on to our money longer.
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New manufacture, new make, new model, type and action cause a new FRT "parent" entry to be generated. So does country of origin. Changes in calibre and barrel length generate new "child" notations in the same parent enter.
For example... the Tactical Imports restricted/non restricted submission is the...
Manufacturer: Chinese State Arsenals
Make: Poly Technologies
Model: Type 81SA
Type: Commercial Version
Action: Semi-Automatic
As the make, model and manufacture are different, any one of those three changing would have generated a new parent FRT entry. That is why there are 10s, if not 100 parent FRT entries for the SKS. There are several FTR entries for the Chinese ones of different factories. Original Russian SKS have an entry each for Tula and Izzy.
A Colt Defense AR15a2 has a different parent FRT number than a Colt Defense AR15a3.
So no... they can't just use TI's FRT entry to import. But the fact that the initial examination of the type has already happened likely means they don't have to do as much to determine where the rifle stands. The Type 81 has already been deemed not a variant of a prohibited firearm, which is the bulk of the research side of the classification process. Now any other versions coming in only have to satisfy whether full auto, converted auto or parts thereof.
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No. They can't.
The Spartan and the other 858's are all the same mechanically as the 858s that were affected by the RCMP re-interpretation. They are all listed as converted autos after 2005 for the most part. The difference is that the 858s listed in the OIC are prescribed as restricted or non-restricted. The "858 Spartan" is not listed in the OIC for exemption... so its considered prohibited as a converted auto alone as the OIC does not use the word "variant". If it did, it would be much like the AR15 game. But instead it is like the Valmet Hunter and M78 game. No variants, just the specific models are exempt.
The 858's listed in the OIC are currently the only converted autos a gun owner can possess with a regular PAL/RPAL.
Look, there's only one factory that makes the Type 81, whether or not there's different FRT's, or if someone else can bring in the same model is moot. The only factory that makes these rifles hasn't done so for TI, and they've pushed the manufacturing dates twice now.
It's not TI's fault these aren't being made, it's the greedy factory dudes who are probably putting contracts of higher numbers before ours. State arsenal factories couldn't give a wooden nickle about 1000 rifles destined to Canada when they have orders from sovereign armies. Given the fact they're not really sharing real info to TI about their procrastination, there's no real chance these will ever come to Canada if TI is not getting updates from them. These are vapourware until we get real confirmation.
It's not TI's fault these aren't being made, it's the greedy factory dudes who are probably putting contracts of higher numbers before ours. State arsenal factories couldn't give a wooden nickle about 1000 rifles destined to Canada when they have orders from sovereign armies. Given the fact they're not really sharing real info to TI about their procrastination, there's no real chance these will ever come to Canada if TI is not getting updates from them. These are vapourware until we get real confirmation.
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Where are you getting this information that there is only one Factory able to make the Type 81?
Thanks fenceline, I was thinking that maybe, just maybe that others had jumped in on TI FRT, placed an order(s) and this made it worth it for china to schedule production, thanks for clearing that up for me
Is there any proof that Jianshe isn't the only one? I'm pretty sure the rifles would have been made if the Type 81 wasn't made at just one factory. HawkWei apparently has a friend who works at the only factory that makes the Type 81, we've even had certain spy shots from the factory, from him.
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If they bring in the Chinese State Arsenals Poly Technologies Type 81SA commercial version semiautomatic then yes... they could use that FRT.
But if they bring in the Dominion Arms 313B commercial version semiautomatic then no they can't have the same FRT.
But if they bring in the Dominion Arms 313B commercial version semiautomatic then no they can't have the same FRT.
