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super7 said:
You already said it.....reputation for reliability....

I'm sure they're great bikes. Most brands are. More of a ford vs. chevy thing. All have good points. The only reason I went Yamaha is it had the features I wanted (IIRS and "real" 4 wheel drive) and I used to have a Yamaha dirt bike and had 0 issues with it.

By the way, the stock tires on the yamaha's leave something to be desired. I'll be wearing mine out before they get changed though. The Polaris (for example) has more agressive looking stock tires.
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No where in my post did I say they were unreliable. As for full FWD and features, just so you know all of Bombi's quads are full time 4x4. The only time they go out of 4x4 is when one wheel is spinning at a rate much greater than its opposite. When one wheel is up spinning in the air, or if you are bottomed out, the wheel speed sensor detects that, and turns off the drive to that wheel, which provides more power for wheels that are gonna help. Once your rolling again, wheel speed sensor picks-up that all wheels are turning equally and it engages full time FWD. Same as the yami, just all without a switch. It really is an unbeatable system. Provides the best traction and power in all terrain.

stubblejumper said:
The larger bombardier machines are quite heavy which is a big disadvantage in muskeg if you have any in your area.That is also a weakness of the polaris quads.
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Not too sure what muskeg is, but they sure go through the mud better than anything. This is a small hole on the trail to our huntcamp.

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I got an o5 kodiak 450 and love it. pulls my trailor full of wood no problem, plows my driveway ,i live in a snowbelt area,and I trail ride it in the summer months. Its a great bike, mine was just under 8000, before taxes.
 
Pure Energy said:
No where in my post did I say they were unreliable.
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Neither did I and that's not what I was referring to. I'm certainly not saying that they are inferior to the Yamahas. What you did say was
"They havent been around as long and they have not built up a name yet."
That's what I'm talking about, they haven't built up the name yet and therefore aren't recommended as much as the others. Nobody recommended one to me when I was asking around and I think much of these sales are "word of mouth". That's the thing that the Yamaha/Honda (for example) have that they don't. They may very well be a superior bike, I really don't know.
 
I have both the grizzly 660 and the bombardier 650. both are tough machines and very fast too (115 kph on the griz on flat road). About the weight, ya their heavy and can get good and stuck in bogs but thats what winches are on em for. Pulling out a whole moose before quartering is a bonus too! I have to say that the Bombardier is the toughest thing being built seeing that the rear axle looks like its off a car (2.5" dia.)compared to all other atv's (0.75").

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Not too sure what muskeg is, but they sure go through the mud better than anything. This is a small hole on the trail to our huntcamp
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Muskeg is like a combination of peat and very thin slime that in most places is very deep.The best way to travel over it is with a light machine and big aggressive tires so you don't break through any more than necessary.If you break through,you have to open the throttle and hope that you have enough traction to keep forward motion until you reach solid ground,which often is not possible and winching is required,if of course there are any trees large enough to reach with your winch cable.As such the lighter quads have a huge advantage and the heavier the quad,the more difficulties that you will endure.It is unlike mud in that you will usually hangup on the chassis long before you can dig down to traction.Muskeg is very common in northern alberta where I live.
 
stubblejumper said:
Muskeg is like a combination of peat and very thin slime that in most places is very deep.The best way to travel over it is with a light machine and big aggressive tires so you don't break through any more than necessary.If you break through,you have to open the throttle and hope that you have enough traction to keep forward motion until you reach solid ground,which often is not possible and winching is required,if of course there are any trees large enough to reach with your winch cable.As such the lighter quads have a huge advantage and the heavier the quad,the more difficulties that you will endure.It is unlike mud in that you will usually hangup on the chassis long before you can dig down to traction.Muskeg is very common in northern alberta where I live.
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Ahhh, yeah theres one spot on an older trail that we used to use to line up a watch, we won't even drive down it anymore, nothing can make it through this one spot. We waited for one of our guys to come back one day, we went and found him, it was almost like quicksand, his bike was buried right up to the racks. What a goddamn mess to get that out of there.


super7 said:
Neither did I and that's not what I was referring to. I'm certainly not saying that they are inferior to the Yamahas. What you did say was
"They havent been around as long and they have not built up a name yet."
That's what I'm talking about, they haven't built up the name yet and therefore aren't recommended as much as the others. Nobody recommended one to me when I was asking around and I think much of these sales are "word of mouth". That's the thing that the Yamaha/Honda (for example) have that they don't. They may very well be a superior bike, I really don't know.
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Ahh NP, but with the word "unreliable" made it seem different.

tac-driver said:
I have both the grizzly 660 and the bombardier 650. both are tough machines and very fast too (115 kph on the griz on flat road). About the weight, ya their heavy and can get good and stuck in bogs but thats what winches are on em for. Pulling out a whole moose before quartering is a bonus too! I have to say that the Bombardier is the toughest thing being built seeing that the rear axle looks like its off a car (2.5" dia.)compared to all other atv's (0.75").

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The Quests and Traxter CVT's were alright, the gearing in the was a bit off for my tastes. They sure as hell were fast for a 4x4 though. I throughly wish they had never discontinued the Traxter. It was built like a tank. Everything was solid on it with plenty of power. People just didn't catch on. We used them around our shop still for plowing snow and pushing in cars that don't run.
 
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The area my cabin is in (south Cariboo of B.C.) is full of swamps and lakes. Can't go far without finding one. Plus there is snow on the ground almost 6 months of the year, so there's always lots of squishy spots. Many swamps are full of loon $hit etc, and don't totally freeze in winter, so gotta be careful of those too.

It's hard to know which way to compromise... more power to pull out of trouble, or a lighter rig to avoid it in the first place. Lot's of discussions about that with the guys all the time. It's kinda split 50/50.
 
Ahhh, yeah theres one spot on an older trail that we used to use to line up a watch, we won't even drive down it anymore, nothing can make it through this one spot. We waited for one of our guys to come back one day, we went and found him, it was almost like quicksand, his bike was buried right up to the racks. What a goddamn mess to get that out of there
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That does sound like muskeg,only it usually has a sort of crust on it that will often hold up a light machine with big tires.Even in cold weather,it usually takes a very long time to freeze to any depth.This crap makes up a large percentage of our terrain.
 
I am not an expert! I have the Traxter Max ( 2 up) and I am sad they don't make it anymore. However, it can be found under the John Deere name...the step-through is a great feature. John Deere wouldn't put its name on a second rate product.... I feel the Outlander would be satisfactory for you where you are not interested in heavy hauling. It should still haul nevertheless. They are supposedly very comfortable and the belt drive is smooth and would probably suit your purposes. I hope I never have to get rid of mine. The mechanical transmission and special locking system is about the toughest one can get, I think. I plan to use it for hobby woodswork and am satisfied with the way it has performed to date. Cheers, Mule.
 
I have an '03 a/c trv, it's got a 500 and is automatic. I can usually get bout 100 miles from a full tank of gas. Has a sh**ty lil rear rack but we jus attached a milk carton to hold extra gas, a thermos of coffee an a tow rope. The winch on the front has been a godsend. The 2-up seat provides a comfy ride for my passengers. And the front rack will hold a decent size buck no problemo. Puttin some new meats on this spring, probably opt for Bear-Claws. I added extra lighting (the factory headlights are mounted pretty low and this sucks when you are going through swamp at night) and a gun rack (holds a soft case nicely). A tank-bag will hold my maps an snacks just fine. Not one thing to mention that has gone kaput on this rig. Overall, the best 7K I spent. :D
 
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Some will come on & rave about other makes & models but they all lack a feature here or there that the Yam has
Good luck in whatever you choose


Name one thing the Yami has that the Outlander does not.

OK..how about a voltage regualtor!!!! my Bomb has only gone thru 3 of them*^#+!
How about a oil bath primary clutch in the CVT system instead of the standard (& cheaper) snowmobile "slip the belt" to get under way system.
How about direct locking front diff:)
"When one wheel is up spinning in the air, or if you are bottomed out, the wheel speed sensor detects that, and turns off the drive to that wheel, which provides more power for wheels that are gonna help. " ??????????? Better get more info BEFORE posting!
Bombs system has no electronic sensors:confused: , it is a simple & effective oil pump in the front diff hence the name "VISCO lock" it is a good system for a sport bike or some-one not REAL seriously into off road stuff. But as you know??? you have to spin the other 3 tires up to 2-4 full revolutions to lock the other front wheel which in most cases is to late your already stuck. Secondly, after you've spun enough to lock the front if you let off the gas your visco pressure drops & your back into 3 wheel drive again.
 
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Pure Energy said:
Bombardier. They have the best ATV on the market. They are well built, and they work great with superior power and torque.

I have driven the Outlander 800 on a few occasions now. There is NO comparison. Nothing. Don't even try to argue this. If you do, you have not driven one. This is a 4x4 utility quad, flip it into 2x4 and you can walk it on the rear wheels for a few hundred yards, no problem. Flip it back into 4x4 and it simply out hauls anything. Torque is always at hand.
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You can walk it on the rear wheels, but if you had a Polaris you could walk it on the front wheels too! ;) :D :D

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Although i would never personally buy a Yamaha. ( im a Honda guy )

I would go with the Grizz. For about $1500 more you get twice the machine with twice the power.

The dry weight of the Kodiak is 591lbs and the dry weight of the Grizz is 600lbs so for the people making the argument about weight there really isint much of a diffrence.

the grizzly has an electric start with manual backup. The Kodiak only has electric.

the Kodiak has 10.8'' of ground clearance while the Grizz has 11.8'' of ground clearance.

Fuel Capacity is 15 liters on the kodiak and 20 on the Grizz.

so ya id say the Grizz is the best bang for you buck. But your better off to go with a Honda ;)
 
All I can tell you is, I don't think you'd be disappointed with a Kodiak or a Griz.

I have an 05 Griz SE and it rocks. I've driven the Kodiak 400 and it had tons of snot too!

Driven a Rubicon, nice but a bit overpriced.

Suzuki King Quad kicks ass. I like it ALMOST as much as the Griz, but the front end plastics are weak.

Bombardier.....don't they make ski-doos?

Polaris....don't they make ski-doos?

I'd wait a couple more years before I buy a Bombi, I don't think the Outalnder 800 has been around long enough to really test it's long-term reliability. I may be wrong.

Don't ask me about Polaris.
 
Went out shopping for a new one this past December.
One salesman i know well at a dealership who sell Honda,Kawi,Bombi,And Suzuki Told me they are equal in reliability.Not one make comes back to the shop for repairs more than another.
Looked at cats.Liked the clearance and ride.Good warranty.The model I looked at sported a Suzuki engine.Only prob was i didnt like the people I was to be dealing with.
I have a bunch of friends with Yamahas.All good strong machines.Hard to start in cold weather.None of them are newer models.I am sure the new ones probably start better in the cold.
I dont like Polaris.Seen too many problems with them.The dealership that sells Honda,Kawi,Suzuki,And Bombi use to deal in Polaris to.The unreliabilty is why the dropped selling them.
After alot of shopping I bought a Honda.Not because they are any better.Bought it because they seem to have the best resale value here.
 
Chopperhead said:
Although i would never personally buy a Yamaha. ( im a Honda guy )

I would go with the Grizz. For about $1500 more you get twice the machine with twice the power.

The dry weight of the Kodiak is 591lbs and the dry weight of the Grizz is 600lbs so for the people making the argument about weight there really isint much of a diffrence.

the grizzly has an electric start with manual backup. The Kodiak only has electric.

the Kodiak has 10.8'' of ground clearance while the Grizz has 11.8'' of ground clearance.

Fuel Capacity is 15 liters on the kodiak and 20 on the Grizz.

so ya id say the Grizz is the best bang for you buck. But your better off to go with a Honda ;)
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The Kodiaks have a pull start as well.

The Grizz has a larger tank because it has a much larger motor and will use more fuel. In the long run they get about the same distance per tank if they are ridden in the same manner, I have tested it.

so ya id say the Grizz is the best bang for you buck. But your better off to go with a Honda
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Why would you tell someone that one machine is the best bang for his buck and then in the very next sentance tell him to go with a different machine. :confused:
 
crazy_davey said:
The Kodiaks have a pull start as well.

The Grizz has a larger tank because it has a much larger motor and will use more fuel. In the long run they get about the same distance per tank if they are ridden in the same manner, I have tested it.



Why would you tell someone that one machine is the best bang for his buck and then in the very next sentance tell him to go with a different machine. :confused:
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Because he said he wanted a Yamaha and those were the 2 models he was considering. So between those 2 modles the grizz is the best bang for the buck. Overall i don't think the Grizz is the best but between the 2 it is.
 
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