Who sells SIGs P210 in Canada?
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Was lucky enough to have first pick on the 20+ 210's Tradeex got three weeks ago. They are sweet pistols, sadly no one knows if we'll ever see some more Swiss made 210's again. As I recall, the last few that came in was in early 2010.
Really? We get them pretty regularly and have a few collectible ones and conversion kits in stock right now. We also have a shipment about three weeks out.
Contact markus@theshootingcentre.com for details.
I'm glad I got my Swiss -6 when I did. Given how quickly the Trade Ex batch got snapped up, and the number of enquiries/WTB, suspect the Swiss version are going to start going up in value - as they should.
Yes, talked to Markus yesterday in fact and he confirmed.
I should have been clearer, I meant the Swiss Army P49 pistol. I've been looking for a true decommissioned/retired P49 in the final 4th KTA delivered to the Swiss Army for a long while (serial A120501 to A213110 with a preference to the latest ones for the various improvements on the model).
Nothing against the latest made civilian models, anniversary, collectibles and the like. Having owned my share of 210's from a very early dash 1 to the latest dash 6 with american mag release to a dash 5 with extended barrel and nearly all German Legend variations (target and super target), I can attest that the most desirable is the military P49 manufactured till 1975 (before the Swiss Army switched to the P75).
As for the latest P prefix or "civilian" models, Neuhausen stopped the production when they started the Army P75 run and, while only few target models were made with old stocked parts for the commercial market between '75 and '83 it took nearly ten years to see the 210 in production again, but the cast hammer actions and their MIM internals fitted when brought back in the mid-eighties were of far inferior in quality to their forged, military-proofed predecessors, and sadly, could not be refitted to the same standard of performance and durability up until the last one made in 2006.
Anyone looking for a shooter, a late Swiss, recent German or newly to be manuf. US P210 is fine (in that order). But if the purpose is to have the best of the best, a collectible with character that will be shot for a few lifetimes without any issues, the military P49 it is.
Here's my favorite, for all the right reasons:
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Ya... I think to each his own when it comes to desirability. I really like many of the military models and fortunately there are lots of them so they are great value, but there are other sought after variants from the pre-MIM/ metallurgy golden age. I'd probably keep my 1970 -6 target if I had to choose. The most desirable could also depends on what aspects one wants - durability, machining quality, type of finish, features, rarity, current availability and price ...? With so many variants of the Swiss 210, an objective winner might depend on your own subjective criteria ;-)
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You're totally right, I couldn't agree more. While my late 60's dash 5 deluxe extended barrel with target trigger & adjustable target sight was an awesome pistol and it too had the updated metallurgy process found in all post '65 210's and P49's, I still prefer the ones with history.
As you wrote on the military model, "fortunately there's lots of them" and while I agree on the statement, finding one in the last 10 yrs of production (around A160000 serial till A 213110), with the matching rig; holster, shoulder strap properly dated with the name of the officer and unit of operation on the inner flap plus a bit of holster wear on the sharp edges and little tooling marks, but not too much, adds some "character" to the piece is far from obvious and if you're able to locate one you better jump on it IMHO.
Even though a commercial target model i.e. dash 6 will sell for more than a plain P49, if you manage to get a military model with it's matching rig in great condition, it will not only sell for about the same price in today's market but will age better and probably will worth more down the road. On the plus side, with it's holster wear and signs of use you wont feel bad to use it more and maybe add a nick or two (that's personal tho, I always felt bad to put a tiny nick on vintage guns that were in mint condition)
Again, this is a personal thing and all aspects you've mentioned are pretty much it. Concerning rarity, nearly all the 210's made after the military contract (1975) till it died in 2006 were HF's dash 5's and 6, a majority of the commercial 210's made from the mid 60's were also target models, I don't have the exact numbers but estimate that around 60,000 to 70,000 target models were manuf. from the mid 60's till 2006, a tad more than the last 10 years of the P49's production numbers.
You've got a 70 production dash 6, which is a first year of production of the variant (between serial P64000 and P67000), I would be delighted to see a few detailed pictures if it.
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I understand your thinking JP. Nothing wrong with the Korth, it's a marvel of craftsmanship and finished to the highest possible level of attention to details, it's is, along with the '73-'85 Manhurin MR 73 (witch I personally prefer to the Korth), the cream of the crop when talking .357 magnum revolvers. But the Swiss P210 is a "Legend" on it's own.
Someone always pops up with these MIM/Cast inferiority comments no matter which product is being discussed and it's utter garbage. MIM, Cast, or Forged are all fine for use in firearms assuming they have been properly designed and manufactured, and stating that one is less durable is a moot point without extensive testing and evaluation. Even if the fire control group made of castings and MIM only lasts 50% of the forged equivalent, which I highly doubt due to metallurigical improvements through time, all it has to outlast is the barrel, locking lugs, etc. Significant advances have been made in metallurgy throughout the decades and todays castings are easily the equivalent of forgings from 10 years ago, let alone those from the 50's, 60's, and 70's. As for MIM, it's good enough for use on rockets, space stations, and fighter aircraft, it's good enough in firearms.
To be clear in no way am I saying the old guns are inferior. I am saying that from any data a single user has, and without destructive testing, it is impossible to determine which production was the best quality. You can find instances of failure on both the old and new guns, as to be expected with any mass produced machinery. Both will do exactly as designed for far more rounds than any average user is likely to shoot. The accuracy comparisons are also useless, as the test targets were fired in a different manner. For me, as a day to day shooter, I like my P210 Legend over the older models. Better fixed sights, that were regulated perfectly, with an easier mag release and safety. To each his own, but leave the quality/durability determinations to the experts at the factory.
To be clear in no way am I saying the old guns are inferior. I am saying that from any data a single user has, and without destructive testing, it is impossible to determine which production was the best quality. You can find instances of failure on both the old and new guns, as to be expected with any mass produced machinery. Both will do exactly as designed for far more rounds than any average user is likely to shoot. The accuracy comparisons are also useless, as the test targets were fired in a different manner. For me, as a day to day shooter, I like my P210 Legend over the older models. Better fixed sights, that were regulated perfectly, with an easier mag release and safety. To each his own, but leave the quality/durability determinations to the experts at the factory.
While I do agree that some newly manufactured firearms are as durable as their counterparts made 10+ yrs ago, the P49/P210 pistol was made to higher durability standards from the mid 60's till the end of production of the military contract in '75, spare parts were used to manuf. commercial target versions till '83 after that point MIM internals fitted were of far inferior in quality to their forged, military-proofed predecessors, and sadly, could not be refitted to the same standard of performance and durability. This is from reputable sources such as Michael Zeleny who "wrote the book" on the P49/P210 pistols.
Does it mean that the casual shooter will wear and break his newly manufactured P210 legend? Of course not.
Yes the -6 is a P67###. Here is a pic with the German Supertarget - still one of my favorite shooters, but I admit the number of favorite shooters has gone up a lot lately. Original grips in storage, and frankly can't beat the Nills for feel.
Yes the -6 is a P67###. Here is a pic with the German Supertarget - still one of my favorite shooters, but I admit the number of favorite shooters has gone up a lot lately. Original grips in storage, and frankly can't beat the Nills for feel.
Absolutely beautiful pair; I will have another P210, or two, no doubt as time goes on. My current Legend version is by far my favorite shooter right now, and is seeing a lot of use just plinking/shooting paper.
