Who wants a non-restricted Beretta CX4 Storm?

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Talked to the CFC today. No problem getting the CX4 changed from restricted to non-restricted with a longer barrel (16.6" stock to 18.51" custom), and you can probably keep 10 rounds in the mag without problems! (still waiting on the CFO to call me back and confirm this, though i'm not really expecting an answer)

So... I am getting some custom 9mm barrels manufactured. Not sure what the cost will be yet. Hopefully we could get a better price if anyone else would be interested in getting a custom 18.5" barrel for the CX4 (in 9mm) as well?

Let me know. Thanks!

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I'm 95.5% sure the 10 rounds will fly. I'll let you know as soon as it's confirmed.

Just wait untill it comes out in .45acp... hit those gophers with +P ammo from Wolf... I've got 400 rounds burning a hole in my pocket, and i'm hogging it all for myself.
 
toysareforboys said:
I'm 95.5% sure the 10 rounds will fly. I'll let you know as soon as it's confirmed.
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I ain't no legal-beagle, but there is no question re the cx and the ten rounds... I don't know what your reg. cert. says, but my cx is registered on paper as a "Ten shot rifle"
The magazines and gun are mutually exclusive when it comes to the regs...
That is.... The ten round limit applies to the magazine, not the gun.
 
coltfan said:
Me either, but all the documents on the CFC site indicate semi-auto center fire (...magazines) are limited to 5 rounds.....another grey area is being entered here....
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Emphasis added. They are pistol mags, and can have 10 rounds. Nothing to do with what kinda rifle it's in.

Don't worry. All this is going to happen soon. I'll be the test case (as I was with the 8" Ruger 10/22 barrel and AK47 kit) and we'll see if it goes as well. I'm talking to Tim today. Gonna tell him i've got 3 to 5 barrels to be made, and see what he can do.

I'll keep everyone posted.
 
toysareforboys said:
coltfan said:
Me either, but all the documents on the CFC site indicate semi-auto center fire (...magazines) are limited to 5 rounds.....another grey area is being entered here....
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Emphasis added. They are pistol mags, and can have 10 rounds. Nothing to do with what kinda rifle it's in.
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They are pistol mags until you put them in a rifle..then they are rifle mags.
The laws are so grey I cannot help but to be a pessimist.
A non restricted 10 shot 9mm rifle would be a welcome addition to my safe., if everything was black and white ..legal wise....
 
JohnC said:
what kind of price range on the long bbl?. what happens to the old bbl. can you keep it? or is it like converting a snubby you have to turn in or destroy the bbl?
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Price... no idea yet.
You can keep the old barrel, but you can't put it back on when you get it changed to non-restricted of course. I suppose you could sell it to someone with a restricted CX4 for when theirs gets shot out...

Lots of calls coming back today... brb
 
coltfan said:
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They are pistol mags until you put them in a rifle..then they are rifle mags.
No,... re read the regs... Pistol mag is a pistol mag.
Honestly....... I can't believe... Oh nevermind... Do whatever you think is right... I wil continue to load my beretta pistol mags with 10 rounds and put 'em into my cx and shoot.
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Girlieman said:
coltfan said:
They are pistol mags until you put them in a rifle..then they are rifle mags.
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No,... re read the regs... Pistol mag is a pistol mag.
Honestly....... I can't believe... Oh nevermind... Do whatever you think is right... I wil continue to load my beretta pistol mags with 10 rounds and put 'em into my cx and shoot.
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Remember your post from a couple of weeks ago ?
Why are you giving advice when your own advice steers people away from the site for this sort of thing. :?:

Girlieman said:
I don't see why people bother wasting time asking CGN for legal advice..
Y'got a question re. the law or whatever... skip CGN and go ask the appropriate angency...
No offence, but you guys are the last bunch I'd go to for help with the law or regs... :lol:
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I think I'll ask the appropriate agency...thanks for your 2 cents though.. :wink:

Order a Mag for a Ruger PC9 from Marstar and it comes pinned to 5 rounds..
 
coltfan said:
toysareforboys said:
coltfan said:
Me either, but all the documents on the CFC site indicate semi-auto center fire (...magazines) are limited to 5 rounds.....another grey area is being entered here....
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Emphasis added. They are pistol mags, and can have 10 rounds. Nothing to do with what kinda rifle it's in.
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They are pistol mags until you put them in a rifle..then they are rifle mags.
The laws are so grey I cannot help but to be a pessimist.
A non restricted 10 shot 9mm rifle would be a welcome addition to my safe., if everything was black and white ..legal wise....
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If you take the time to read the regs you will see that this is not the case. They are pistol mags if they were designed to be used in a pistol which is commonly available in Canada. The only grey area here is what about the mags marked CX4 Storm? I would treat these as rifle mags to be safe.
 
Has anyone managed to remove the barrel? It seems to be pressed into place. This may complicate barrel changes.
 
Looking at the exploded diagram in the CSSA newsletter, it looks like the barrel may have a barrel nut on the inside of the upper reciever. Just a guess, but the barrel might be threaded into the reciever, then held fast with the nut like the Savage rifles.
 
The CFO from Orillia phoned me back today. Here is the official deal:

When asked about getting the Beretta CX4 with a longer barrel re-registered as non-restricted, what about my friend with a Colt 1911 in a full stock with a 20" barrel...

"Any firearm or receiver, registered as a "Handgun", can not be made non-restricted regardless of its transformation, stock or barrel length. Any restricted rifle that is restricted strictly because of its barrel length, in this case the Beretta CX4 in question, can have a longer barrel installed and re-registered as Non-Restricted after being "verified". Any other restricted firearm can not be re-registered as non-restricted regardless of transformation, stock or barrel length."

When asked about if and why the 10 round magazines in the Beretta CX4 were legal...

"It is a dumb question. We already know that in the stock restricted form, you can use the Beretta 92 10 round pistol mags in it without any questions or problems. Don't forget it is a rifle, not a handgun. Why does the AR15 only get 5 rounds but the CX4 gets 10? Strictly because the CX4 takes pistol magazines. If you could modify an AR15 to take pistol mags of any shape or size, you could have 10 rounds in it too.
So the smarter question is: Does changing the CX4 from restricted to non-restricted have any effect on the magazine capacity? NOT AT ALL. It makes no difference what-so-ever if something is restricted or not, in regards to magazine capacity. It is the magazines that are limited, not the firearms themselves. The fact that the CX4 uses Beretta 92 magazines does not make the Beretta 92 magazines limited to 5 rounds, weather they are in the Beretta 92 or a CX4 Storm. It makes no difference if you actually own a Beretta 92 or not. If Beretta produces magazines specifically for the CX4, then they will be limited to 5 rounds, weather they are in a Beretta 92 or the CX4. They are then designed for a rifle, not a handgun. Saying that: Buy all the Beretta 92 magazines you can find."

This is a transcript of our phone conversation. Please excuse the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors.
 
I think that you are walking a very fine line here. Who is going to approve this firearm with the longer barrel and the 10 round magazine, and will his interpretation of the law be the same as the CFO, or will he declare it to be a handgun, or a restricted firearm, regardless of the barrel length.
 
Al Flipo said:
I think that you are walking a very fine line here. Who is going to approve this firearm with the longer barrel and the 10 round magazine, and will his interpretation of the law be the same as the CFO, or will he declare it to be a handgun, or a restricted firearm, regardless of the barrel length.
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It's not a fine line at all. The gun is currently listed on it's FRT as a rifle, not a handgun. The gun is already "approved" for importation. Re-registering it as a non-restricted rifle is as simple as getting your local verifier to fill out the paperwork. The magazine as clearly stated above is a non-issue. Please get over it people. Take a minute to read the definitions in the criminal code. As for Al's conscern about deciding if the gun is a handgun, or a restricted firearm, it's quite simple. Again, take a minute to read the definitions. To paraphrase 'cuz I don't have my copy in front of me, a handgun is defined as a firearm designed or altered to be discharged with the actions of one hand. The Storm is classed as restricted only because the barrel length as a semi-auto centerfire is below the magic 18.5 inches. As soon as you alter the gun so that it doesn't meet the statutory definition, it can be reclassed as non-restricted.
 
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