Who wants a Restricted M16?

84wh1 said:
I personally don't see the need for full auto. It's totally useless and COMPLETELY dangerous in the hands of an untrained shooter. Now I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here or stray away from the topic at hand here but in reality, it has no purpose in civilian hands.
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While you are busy throwing an entire segment of the brotherhood of gun owners under the bus you might want to take a second to consider there a millions of people out there who think guns have no purpose in civilian hands. You are the worst kind of gun owner.
 
HAHA. Looks like I ruffled some feathers. Again, just my opinion on the matter no need to be all hasty and start calling me a FUDD or an anti or whatever. I am FAR from it. We are a small community as a whole and need to respectful to one another and our difference in opinions.

My honest belief is that full auto has no real purpose for civilian ownership. Semi auto is a totally different story. Semi auto is perfect for a quick follow through shot while hunting in the event the first shot was a miss or poorly placed.

For those who dont agree, fine we can agree to disagree, but honestly lets keep this topic mature and quit name calling and such.
 
Suputin said:
While you are busy throwing an entire segment of the brotherhood of gun owners under the bus you might want to take a second to consider there a millions of people out there who think guns have no purpose in civilian hands. You are the worst kind of gun owner.
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WOW! Really? I would say im far from the worst kind of gun owner. Im an LEO firearms instructor, who is also an NFA & NRA member. I believe in gun rights for everyone and completely disagree with 99% of our gun laws. I simply expressed my PERSONAL opinion on the matter.
 
I've seen large numbers of uniformed people firing full auto who never went had "full auto training". Nothing bad happened. There are places in Vegas where anybody with no training can fire full auto, and they don't have to repaint the walls on a regular basis. If the muzzle starts to wander, take your finger off the trigger. Restricted firearms have no real "use" to begin with. Firing a belt fed machine gun is easy. If it is not on your wallet.
 
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84wh1 said:
My honest belief is that full auto has no real purpose for civilian ownership.
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Well there is the investment factor. Look at the prices of class 3 full autos in the US, they only move in one direction, up. Where as here collections have been devalued and destroyed. Honestly the devaluing of any other investment by direct government intervention in the same was as what happened to the 12.x classes would be cause for uproar.
 
84wh1 said:
WOW! Really? I would say im far from the worst kind of gun owner. Im an LEO firearms instructor, who is also an NFA & NRA member. I believe in gun rights for everyone and completely disagree with 99% of our gun laws. I simply expressed my PERSONAL opinion on the matter.
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That explains your views. What LEO would what to be outgunned by a civi?
 
Hoplite Tactical Supplies said:
Well there is the investment factor. Look at the prices of class 3 full autos in the US, they only move in one direction, up. Where as here collections have been devalued and destroyed. Honestly the devaluing of any other investment by direct government intervention in the same was as what happened to the 12.x classes would be cause for uproar.
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Good point man!
 
84wh1 said:
HAHA. Looks like I ruffled some feathers. Again, just my opinion on the matter no need to be all hasty and start calling me a FUDD or an anti or whatever. I am FAR from it. We are a small community as a whole and need to respectful to one another and our difference in opinions.

My honest belief is that full auto has no real purpose for civilian ownership. Semi auto is a totally different story. Semi auto is perfect for a quick follow through shot while hunting in the event the first shot was a miss or poorly placed.

For those who dont agree, fine we can agree to disagree, but honestly lets keep this topic mature and quit name calling and such.
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Seems like you dont get the bigger picture, once we say we dont need Full auto they say well why do you need Semi Auto well if we dont need Semi auto than they say why do you even need bolt action and Boom everything gets banned . Your opinion is short sighted and ignorant. Keep it too your self put on your tinfoil hat and just quietly use your bolt action.
 
deagle2008 said:
Seems like you dont get the bigger picture, once we say we dont need Full auto they say well why do you need Semi Auto well if we dont need Semi auto than they say why do you even need bolt action and Boom everything gets banned . Your opinion is short sighted and ignorant. Keep it too your self put on your tinfoil hat and just quietly use your bolt action.
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So much for being respectful to other members on the board
 
Ludacris, I don't think safe law abiding citizens should have full auto...

Why? You don't like people spending money while being no more dangerous? Id be no more dangerous with full auto than I would be with a single shot .22

I bought a fast car... Look I didn't drink and drive, I didn't plow through some people because it has more power.

Responsible people with full autos are fine. There was no issues with them back when they were legal here.
 
84wh1 said:
So much for being respectful to other members on the board
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Sorry dude but you are in the wrong community, MomsDemandAction is in desperate need of members,

Ive had the same conversation with many antis, well you dont need this, you dont need that. This is the attitude that gives the antis more fuel to go against us, keep it up job well done Sir.
 
deagle2008 said:
Sorry dude but you are in the wrong community, MomsDemandAction is in desperate need of members,

Ive had the same conversation with many antis, well you dont need this, you dont need that. This is the attitude that gives the antis more fuel to go against us, keep it up job well done Sir.
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As ive said, I am FAR from an anti and my collection would verify that. I am FULLY supportive of gun owners rights however we need to be realistic about things. I mean we are trying to get a simple semi auto rifle to non restricted status and yet some are saying we should try and get automatics off the prohib. We need to be realistic about our expectations.

If I am in the minority in regards to my opinions of civilian full auto then thats fine. And yeah, maybe because I am LEO I have a biased opinion about what should and shouldn't be legal. Either way its my opinion and I am being extremely professional about expressing it. You on the other hand, not soo much.

I wasnt trying to stir the pot on this here but clearly I did and because of that, this is my last post in regards to this topic.

Thanks to those who actually have a mature approach to a valued opinion of someone with actual experience
 
I personally don't see the need for full auto. It's totally useless and COMPLETELY dangerous in the hands of an untrained shooter. Now I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here or stray away from the topic at hand here but in reality, it has no purpose in civilian hands.
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One of the root cause of why firearms owners have so much unnecessary trouble all the time. Any firearm is potentially dangerous in the hands of an untrained shooter. So make sure the shooter is trained. A full auto firearm is not more or less dangerous than a semi or single shot. Do we ban cars because not everyone in Canada knows how to drive a car?
 
just glancing through this thread and one question comes to mind .......

as a law abiding , upstanding person, who owns firearms legally in this country ........

why the hell can we not own a fully auto m16 ?????

the government has deemed us capable of owning other fire arms safely , so how does a full auto one turn us into a criminal , or someone undesirable , unable to safely own a firearm ?


there is a easy way to fix the entire registration / classification mess .......

licence the individual , and once approved , they can buy what ever they can afford .
 
84wh1 said:
WOW! Really? I would say im far from the worst kind of gun owner. Im an LEO firearms instructor, who is also an NFA & NRA member. I believe in gun rights for everyone and completely disagree with 99% of our gun laws. I simply expressed my PERSONAL opinion on the matter.
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Then of all people you should know better. If you want others to respect your interests and choices then you need to respect the interests and choices of others. Full Stop.

Personally I don't hunt and I have no time nor interest for hunting. But I would defend to the death the right for others to hunt if they so choose. You clearly don't feel the same way about full auto's and the people who would like to own and use them.



84wh1 said:
So much for being respectful to other members on the board
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Why should we be respectful to someone who would throw other gun owners under the bus of political correctness? Would you be respectful of someone who wanted to deny you your chosen form of shooting?

Maybe think about what you said and consider how someone who was interested in FAs might feel about your "personal opinion" and how it might feel to be in that person's shoes. Then maybe you will understand why spouting off that another man's hobby or interests ought to be banned results in a torrent of abuse.



84wh1 said:
As ive said, I am FAR from an anti and my collection would verify that. I am FULLY supportive of gun owners rights however we need to be realistic about things.
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Clearly you aren't because you have fallen into the anti's trap of classifying one firearm as being more dangerous than another. A gun is a gun. Until you understand this simple fact you are gonna run into resistance within the gun community.




If I am in the minority in regards to my opinions of civilian full auto then thats fine. And yeah, maybe because I am LEO I have a biased opinion about what should and shouldn't be legal. Either way its my opinion and I am being extremely professional about expressing it. You on the other hand, not soo much.
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Uhh OK. You mean you said something stupid, got spanked for it and are now going away in a huff because some people were mean to you.



I wasnt trying to stir the pot on this here but clearly I did and because of that, this is my last post in regards to this topic.

Thanks to those who actually have a mature approach to a valued opinion of someone with actual experience
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Uhhhhh and cause you are a LEO you think you have more actual experience with FAs than the rest of us? I guarantee that you DO NOT. I have been shooting FA for almost 30 years and like many on this board have served in the Canadian Forces. In my civilian life I have been lucky enough to have shot a wide variety of FAs in many different settings and locals.
 
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