Ummm.. why 45/70?...
Why not?
Why not?
Why 45/70 ?????
- Thread starter X-fan
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my first gun was a remmington 700 7mm mag. beutiflul gun... id shoot head sized rockes at 300-400 yards and watch them explode.
however the recoil was so bad i still aint shook the flinch from getting scoped every time. not to mention i am left handed and its a right hand bolt. also with a 24 inch barrel and monte carlo wood stock it was a heavy bastard(no fun on a hike)
the final clincher was a horrifying experience with a bear that did not go down.
the way i look at it is if you shoot someone with a bb gun(fast moving small projectile) they jump up and go ow! you @$$hole!
if you peg them in the head with a slow moving ten pound rock.... they aint saying nothing for a while!
so in closing i just prefer that freight train stop&drop shot over your race car rounds.
plus in bc bear hunting most shots are under 150-200 yards with heavy bush in between.
now i shoot the marlin gs in 45/70(look at my avatar) the recoil is very comfortable, it feels more like a strong shove than that snappy shot to the shoulder. the 18" barrel makes it compact and easy to carry. i will definitly admit there is a certain amount of devilish glee when i fire its short goodness at poco and the shooters to my sides stop what they doin and wait for me to finish
however the recoil was so bad i still aint shook the flinch from getting scoped every time. not to mention i am left handed and its a right hand bolt. also with a 24 inch barrel and monte carlo wood stock it was a heavy bastard(no fun on a hike)
the final clincher was a horrifying experience with a bear that did not go down.
the way i look at it is if you shoot someone with a bb gun(fast moving small projectile) they jump up and go ow! you @$$hole!
if you peg them in the head with a slow moving ten pound rock.... they aint saying nothing for a while!
so in closing i just prefer that freight train stop&drop shot over your race car rounds.
plus in bc bear hunting most shots are under 150-200 yards with heavy bush in between.
now i shoot the marlin gs in 45/70(look at my avatar) the recoil is very comfortable, it feels more like a strong shove than that snappy shot to the shoulder. the 18" barrel makes it compact and easy to carry. i will definitly admit there is a certain amount of devilish glee when i fire its short goodness at poco and the shooters to my sides stop what they doin and wait for me to finish
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
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Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Chemainus B.C.
45-70???
Because a 535 grain postell (yes, black powder) puts a bear "in park" right promptly... Bowhunting is not my cup of tea as I have seen game suffer and travel far too great a distance to bleed out often out of reach of the bowman.. Just in jest..(sort of) There ya go.. end suffering... hmmmm..
I understand the stopping capabilities of the 45/70, but why on earth would anybody choose to hunt with one?
I don't really understand all the 45/70 recommendations in a recent black bear thread???
Is there allure in the dismal range characteristics of the 45/70??
Do we choose it to protect ourselves from the black bear?
If I want a challenge I hunt with a recurve or compound bow and maybe (someday) a black powder rifle.
If I'm serious and want to get the job done I bring a rifle chambered in a cartridge with some performance.
If I want history I bring a 7X57, 30-06, 375 H&H, or 416 Rigby.....All of which are much more logical general purpose rifles.
Just my opinion and all in fun of course.
What interests me is why do you choose to hunt with the 45/70 and why do you recommend it??
Because a 535 grain postell (yes, black powder) puts a bear "in park" right promptly... Bowhunting is not my cup of tea as I have seen game suffer and travel far too great a distance to bleed out often out of reach of the bowman.. Just in jest..(sort of) There ya go.. end suffering... hmmmm..
But...last moose I hunted I saw it drop in it's tracks with one shot from a 300WM
And last bear I shot dropped in it's tracks with a .223...Okay, it did take a stumbling step, and then dropped...
And when I shot a bear at a few paces with the .375 Ruger, it dropped, too!
They all kill, if you do your part.
I know one CGN member that shot a pissed off, charging GRIZZLY bear (not black bear) at close range with a 7-08. It died. Shot placement rules again!
THEY ALL WORK!!
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BigUglyMan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- New Scotland
Because it works.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
Exactly!
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
clarke, I've seen plenty of moose shot with a 300mag. none of them rippled when hit like a 350gr .458 impact
and after skinning & quartering 20ish swamp donkey's, I appreciate the lack of blood shot from a large, low velocity slug.
and after skinning & quartering 20ish swamp donkey's, I appreciate the lack of blood shot from a large, low velocity slug.
If a .223 tsx can kill a bear then can't a .458 tsx kill it better?
1 vote for big heavy bullets because they work well. Less meat loss than them fancy magnums and most game is taken under 100 yards let alone 200.
Ironic Note:
Longest shot at game I have ever taken was with my Marlin 1895G 45/70 at a bull moose at 250yrds, 350gr Hornady rn @ 2000fps, passed thru breaking the far leg and putting him down.
Shortest shot on a big game animal was a whitetail deer (head shot) at 25 yrds with a 300win mag, 26in barrel.
Go firgue.
1 vote for big heavy bullets because they work well. Less meat loss than them fancy magnums and most game is taken under 100 yards let alone 200.
Ironic Note:
Longest shot at game I have ever taken was with my Marlin 1895G 45/70 at a bull moose at 250yrds, 350gr Hornady rn @ 2000fps, passed thru breaking the far leg and putting him down.
Shortest shot on a big game animal was a whitetail deer (head shot) at 25 yrds with a 300win mag, 26in barrel.
Go firgue.
clarke, I've seen plenty of moose shot with a 300mag. none of them rippled when hit like a 350gr .458 impact
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But if the shot placement was correct, they all dropped just fine, I bet. I've seen a few moose drop, too, with cartridges like .270, .303, 30-06,.300WM, 338WM, 375 H&H. I *personally* don't care if an animal "ripples" or not when shot, as long as they die quick. If "ripples" are your thing, then stick with whatever gives you the best special effects.
I've never had to undertake a "tracking job" on a moose They all fell down quick. And I wouldn't have any second thoughts about taking a shot at a moose with a .300 at 300 yards, either...
.300, 30-06, 45/70, etc? You use them within their limitations, and they ALL WORK!
30WCF can take moose easily. They are not dinosaurs. 44-40 was a standard round for caribou. I see no reason why one still couldn't use it. The animals have not changed, just the users expectations and a lack of understanding of various cartridges' limitations.
45-70 is just a near perfect round for many hunting applications.
45-70 is just a near perfect round for many hunting applications.
Yes it is. Along with about a hundred other "near perfect" rounds for many hunting applications.
I've taken Buffalo with a 45-90 with 87 grains of black-powder.
These big lead bullets when moving slow will out penetrate almost anything.
In fact penetration ability drops as velocity increases above around 1700 fps.
The last Buff I shot had a 2" exit hole where the 540 grain lead bullet came through and that Buff was dead before it hit the ground.
A 45-70 is an awesome cartridge.
These big lead bullets when moving slow will out penetrate almost anything.
In fact penetration ability drops as velocity increases above around 1700 fps.
The last Buff I shot had a 2" exit hole where the 540 grain lead bullet came through and that Buff was dead before it hit the ground.
A 45-70 is an awesome cartridge.
But if the shot placement was correct, they all dropped just fine, I bet. I've seen a few moose drop, too, with cartridges like .270, .303, 30-06,.300WM, 338WM, 375 H&H. I *personally* don't care if an animal "ripples" or not when shot, as long as they die quick. If "ripples" are your thing, then stick with whatever gives you the best special effects.
I've never had to undertake a "tracking job" on a moose They all fell down quick. And I wouldn't have any second thoughts about taking a shot at a moose with a .300 at 300 yards, either...
.300, 30-06, 45/70, etc? You use them within their limitations, and they ALL WORK!
you sir need to stop making sense. right this instance. I suggest Scotch, single malt, in high volume.
If one follows this, and similar threads, through the pages, some startling facts spring out.
If all rifle and cartridge development had ceased 100 years ago, we would be left with virtually ideal rifles and calibres for every type of hunting!
Just look at that long list of the ideal rifles often mentioned, to take some steam from the 45-70 fans. How many of them are really any, or very little, "better," than were the old ones. If your going to mention speed, don't forget about Newton and his calibres.
Anyway, who could say they were at any great disatvantage in hunting, if they only had rifles available 100 years ago?
If all rifle and cartridge development had ceased 100 years ago, we would be left with virtually ideal rifles and calibres for every type of hunting!
Just look at that long list of the ideal rifles often mentioned, to take some steam from the 45-70 fans. How many of them are really any, or very little, "better," than were the old ones. If your going to mention speed, don't forget about Newton and his calibres.
Anyway, who could say they were at any great disatvantage in hunting, if they only had rifles available 100 years ago?
