Why are civi shooters so concerned with the word `sniper`

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Why do civi shooters get so riled up about the word `sniper`

If you don`t like the word, why are you out there shooting military clone rifles (AR 10, C3, M40, M24 wannabes) yourself.

Quit hiding behind the word `precision` and ease up on those that are genuinely interested in military sniper rifles.

Being a `sniper rifle`fan is not a crime but being an owner of an exact clone of a m40a3 who hides behind the word `precision` should be.
 
Probably cause some lib ####### hears the word sniper an figures we gonna be shooting innocents from the other side of the planet.

The way I see it, a sniper holding a precision rifle makes it a sniper(s) rifle. Otherwise they are just precise rifles.
 
Sniper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper

A sniper is a highly trained marksman who operates in one- to two-man teams which maintain close visual contact with the enemy and engages targets from concealed positions or physical distances exceeding the detection capabilities of the enemy personnel, without being detected. These sniper teams operate independently, with little combat asset support from their parent units. Snipers typically have highly selective and specialized training and use high-precision rifles and optics, and often have sophisticated communication assets to feed valuable combat information back to their units.
In addition to marksmanship, military snipers are trained in camouflage, field craft, infiltration, reconnaissance and observation.[SUP][1][/SUP]Snipers are especially effective when deployed within the terrain of urban warfare, or jungle warfare.
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Most of us 'Civies' just shoot precision rifles for fun, and to compete.... to suggest I have all those other skills would dishonour those dedicated Men and Women who have attained those skills thru years of hard work and sacrifice.
 
I just got an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare (spent all summer and Sept. paying for it bit-by-bit, threads will be coming) and one of the things I found a bit amusing was that the manual and everything that comes with it explicity refers to it as a "sniper rifle". It is right on the cover of the manual.

I guess over in England they realize these days that it doesn't matter one iota to the anti's what we call our rifles, it won't save anyone from sweeping firearms bans.

That and... in this particular case... the customers are military a lot of the time. (Well... now that I think of it, almost every tactical/sniper type rifle is or was issued by some military somewhere, including the Winchester Model 70, Remington Model 700, and several more of the most common rifles in the civilian marketplace).
 
Probably because they don't want to be stigmatized as people killers....

I don't get bent out of shape when someone calls my rifle a sniper rifle. I correct them, because I'm nowhere near accurate enough to be a sniper. :p
 
stephen492 said:
Why do civi shooters get so riled up about the word `sniper`


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I think because they have already given into political correctness. Which is a slippery slope and a control mechanism. You can see its a control mechanism by the way those firearms owners that are afraid to use the word sniper want to enforce this ridiculousness on everyone else. I don't use the word sniper much but I'm not afraid too as I still have some semblance of my own identity remaining. Apparently politeness and respect is no longer good enough or important. We just have to conform. And that is about as deep as I get. lol!
 
"Sniper" is a buzz word. Its used for marketing and mostly has effects on people who live in their Mom's basement. The media also likes this word for use in anti-gun campaigns. Truth be known, just because the rifle is capable of shooting great distances, the average shooter comes far short of the skills required to do so. Anyone with cash can buy a corvette, but that doesn't mean they have the skills to qualify to be on a race track.
 
snipers

Just came from the Canadian International Sniper Concentration(CISC). at which there were no civilian competitors, as it was a sniper event.

We also sponsor, promote and are in the business of precision shooting. It is not in the best interest of the shooting community for civilians to call themselves or kit, sniper. Another reason is they, civilians, are not snipers. A top sniper, who concurs with my view, points out that shooting is only a part of the sniper deal. Most failures on course are on the stalk and those not qualified are designated marksmen, truck drivers or otherwise. A prerequisite is a recce courses and then there is a psychological evaluation, which wannabe snipers would fail.

Now have to get our sponsorship ammo ready to send to Keith and Linda at Milcun, who are doing a sniper match. Gee and guess what, no civvies.

Regards,

Peter

Regards,

Peter
 
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great summary Peter. I spent 12 years in the forces and it spins my head to see some kid's spray painted $400 hunting rifle called a "Sniper" rifle (or its owner called a sniper). It is odd, however that the wearing of a "bomber Jacket" (originally worn by those dropping incendary and high explosive bombs on tens of thousands of non-combatants) is a perfectly sanitized term, yet the backlash against a layman calling a cheap spray painted gun a "sniper" rifle should be so offensive. God help you if you were to call the latest fall fashions with stipes "Concentration camp motif", or a charcoal colored car paint referred to as "Gulag Grey". I was never destined to be a salesman or a marketing person.
 
roberti11 said:
Sniper

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sniper





Most of us 'Civies' just shoot precision rifles for fun, and to compete.... to suggest I have all those other skills would dishonour those dedicated Men and Women who have attained those skills thru years of hard work and sacrifice.
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Well said. Poor terminology like Sniper Rifle, Assault rifle etc.... only feeds the antis.
 
ghostie said:
I just got an Accuracy International Arctic Warfare (spent all summer and Sept. paying for it bit-by-bit, threads will be coming) and one of the things I found a bit amusing was that the manual and everything that comes with it explicity refers to it as a "sniper rifle". It is right on the cover of the manual.

I guess over in England they realize these days that it doesn't matter one iota to the anti's what we call our rifles, it won't save anyone from sweeping firearms bans.

That and... in this particular case... the customers are military a lot of the time. (Well... now that I think of it, almost every tactical/sniper type rifle is or was issued by some military somewhere, including the Winchester Model 70, Remington Model 700, and several more of the most common rifles in the civilian marketplace).
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Its marketing, just like tactical rifle etc.. If it says Sniper, people are more likely to buy it, then if it said precision.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Its marketing, just like tactical rifle etc.. If it says Sniper, people are more likely to buy it, then if it said precision.
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precisely. How many cheap remington and savage hunting rifles are viewed here as "precision rifles"? With the addition of a cheap baby killer-looking scope and a chinese knock off bipod, you now have a "precision rifle". Everyone needs to start somewhere and sticking with what you can afford is essential, but adding a jezuss big spoiler to a buick century does not make it a formula 1 racer. Accept your gun for what it is, never mind trying to impress, have fun and enjoy. Spend enough time at the range and you won't get sucked into sitting here listening to cranky old farts like me. .......and for Krysakes dont call your gun a sniper rifle. Remember John Lee Malvo?
 
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It is odd, however that the wearing of a "bomber Jacket" (originally worn by those dropping incendary and high explosive bombs on tens of thousands of non-combatants) is a perfectly sanitized term, yet the backlash against a layman calling a cheap spray painted gun a "sniper" rifle should be so offensive. God help you if you were to call the latest fall fashions with stipes "Concentration camp motif", or a charcoal colored car paint referred to as "Gulag Grey". I was never destined to be a salesman or a marketing person.
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It does boggle the mind what the everyday man accepts/or does not.
 
Ok some of you are a little dim or deluded. We are having our right to own and shoot firearms taken from us, WE CAN NOT STOP THIS. The recent "victory" of the long gun registry being shut down hasn't changed anything of substance. The most we can expect is to slow down the process. The main tool of those wanting to strip our privilage from us is persuading others that our hobby is dangerous and threatening through the use of language. Soooo, you can be an idiot and insist on using the same words to describe your rifle as the people trying to take it from you, or tone it down a little, use a different word and take away some of their thunder. Let's look at it from the position of the great ignorant masses, sniper brings to mind a near invisible person able to punch your clock from so far you won't hear the shot even if he misses. Precision just doesn't bring too many bad images to mind.

Any of you think that you can put your foot down and say enough when the day comes that private firearm ownership is prohibited, I say put down the pipe. it's one of the drawbacks of a democracy, if enough people decide it, your privalige is gone. You can fight it but you'll never win.
 
Well put Redshooter. The fact that these "sniper" posts keep popping up every week, proves there's no shortage of idiots around here. This is a precision rifle forum and my sugestion is we leave it at that and neglect justifying these posts with a response.


redshooter said:
Ok some of you are a little dim or deluded. We are having our right to own and shoot firearms taken from us, WE CAN NOT STOP THIS. The recent "victory" of the long gun registry being shut down hasn't changed anything of substance. The most we can expect is to slow down the process. The main tool of those wanting to strip our privilage from us is persuading others that our hobby is dangerous and threatening through the use of language. Soooo, you can be an idiot and insist on using the same words to describe your rifle as the people trying to take it from you, or tone it down a little, use a different word and take away some of their thunder. Let's look at it from the position of the great ignorant masses, sniper brings to mind a near invisible person able to punch your clock from so far you won't hear the shot even if he misses. Precision just doesn't bring too many bad images to mind.

Any of you think that you can put your foot down and say enough when the day comes that private firearm ownership is prohibited, I say put down the pipe. it's one of the drawbacks of a democracy, if enough people decide it, your privalige is gone. You can fight it but you'll never win.
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