Why are Glocks so prone to failures if limp Wristed?

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This isnt a slam against Glocks, i like Glocks. Just a question. I sent that same question to the guy doing the videos to get his opinion.


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They are designed for full power ammo, primarily as a military and law enforcement market. They are not designed for lower powered ammo. Weak wristing simulates low powered ammo.
 
Valid question...but FWIW, Ive never experienced a single failure on my glocks.

This issue could be a deal-breaker in case you're ever injured (or something) and can't put in the proper grip strength to shoot the gun.
 
Glocks in 9mm use a pretty stiff recoil spring at 17lbs, compared to say a 10-12lb recoil spring you might find in a 9mm 1911. Like it was stated above they are designed to be used with full power mil/LE ammo, so using proper form with cheaper bulk stuff is imperative to make sure the slide goes straight back and has the energy to return to battery, although, in my experience you have to use a pretty damn weak grip to emulate any of the problems associated with limp wristing.
 
My guess would be that when Gaston made a deal with the devil to make the perfect gun the devil said he had to pick one weakness so no one would get suspicious. :p
 
The reason is because a Glock's frame is so very light in comparison to the slide. For a semi-auto pistol to work correctly the slide has to recoil an adequate distance further than the frame or else there'll be feeding problems. On handguns with heavier frames (like steel-framed guns) the mass of the frame helps it resist rearward motion more than handguns with lighter frames--it'll tend to stay forward more while the slide recoils. On lighter-framed guns, a firmer grip is needed to compensate for the decreased mass and inertia of the frame--if not gripped firmly the frame will recoil along with the slide, causing failures to feed.

This is not a problem unique to Glocks--any pistol with a light frame and heavy slide is prone, it's just that the Glock's frame is lighter than many other polymer-framed handguns like the M&P or USP.
 
I find Glocks are actually quite reliable even with the wimpy civilian 9 mm loads we typically find in Canada. HK's and Walther's especially in the first 500 rounds can have a bobble with soft 115 grain loads. Once the recoil spring is broken in they work with them but they are completely reliable when you use 124 or 147 grain civilian ammo, or hotter 115 grain ammo (9mm NATO spec) which is what they're designed to handle.
 
Master-G said:
The reason is because a Glock's frame is so very light in comparison to the slide. For a semi-auto pistol to work correctly the slide has to recoil an adequate distance further than the frame or else there'll be feeding problems. On handguns with heavier frames (like steel-framed guns) the mass of the frame helps it resist rearward motion more than handguns with lighter frames--it'll tend to stay forward more while the slide recoils. On lighter-framed guns, a firmer grip is needed to compensate for the decreased mass and inertia of the frame--if not gripped firmly the frame will recoil along with the slide, causing failures to feed.

This is not a problem unique to Glocks--any pistol with a light frame and heavy slide is prone, it's just that the Glock's frame is lighter than many other polymer-framed handguns like the M&P or USP.
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Bear marching. See this bear with his leg and arm forward on the same side......try walking like that or doing military drill when your a new confused tired recruit :D











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simple physics no? the slide wants to flip backwards, your wrist becomes the footing for the back force and the slide to move directly back, limp wrist allows the frame and slide to move at the same force and with 17lb springs, the frame will just go with the slide unless that planted footing is there

to get an idea, try pulling back a slide with your hand while limp wristing
 
Master-G said:
The reason is because a Glock's frame is so very light in comparison to the slide. For a semi-auto pistol to work correctly the slide has to recoil an adequate distance further than the frame or else there'll be feeding problems. On handguns with heavier frames (like steel-framed guns) the mass of the frame helps it resist rearward motion more than handguns with lighter frames--it'll tend to stay forward more while the slide recoils. On lighter-framed guns, a firmer grip is needed to compensate for the decreased mass and inertia of the frame--if not gripped firmly the frame will recoil along with the slide, causing failures to feed.

This is not a problem unique to Glocks--any pistol with a light frame and heavy slide is prone, it's just that the Glock's frame is lighter than many other polymer-framed handguns like the M&P or USP.
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This explanation sounds pretty good to me.
 
Master-G said:
The reason is because a Glock's frame is so very light in comparison to the slide. For a semi-auto pistol to work correctly the slide has to recoil an adequate distance further than the frame or else there'll be feeding problems. On handguns with heavier frames (like steel-framed guns) the mass of the frame helps it resist rearward motion more than handguns with lighter frames--it'll tend to stay forward more while the slide recoils. On lighter-framed guns, a firmer grip is needed to compensate for the decreased mass and inertia of the frame--if not gripped firmly the frame will recoil along with the slide, causing failures to feed.

This is not a problem unique to Glocks--any pistol with a light frame and heavy slide is prone, it's just that the Glock's frame is lighter than many other polymer-framed handguns like the M&P or USP.
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Totally something like this ^ .... 4 of the pistols my buddy and i have are a G17, M&P9, Sig226-9mm, Beretta-9mm. Basically the M&P and G17 (polymers) can be malfunctioned on command with a limp wrist, with any type of ammo (hot loads, light loads etc) as the videos somewhat portray. The steel framed ones not so much. I've tried limp wristing the Sig similar to what we've done with the G17 and M&P but it has always cycled in my case, worst case scenario it may not lock back on the last round with a limp wrist. I can't speak for the Beretta however, tho in the vid here it seems to function 90% of the time. Interestingly enough overall our malfunctions in general (FTE/FTF etc with non intentional LW shooting) the G17 and M&P have the more malfunctions than the steel framed..... maybe that's just coincidence...

Anyway at any rate just was sayin yeah what master G said seems like a pretty good explanation....


Also not saying one's better than the other just the experience we had with the 4 pistols......
 
One of the reasons S&W put stainless steel inserts in the polymer frame between the front and rear blocks on the M&P was to reduce the tendency of the frame to absorb recoil when improperly gripped. That said, a trained shooter should never see a problem with a Glock.
 
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