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Why are Glocks so reliable?
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Ask guys that run super-tight guns if they could put 20k down the pipe without a stoppage of sorts.
There is no way in hell my old match 1911 could do it. If anything, it was TOO tight.
My G3 G34 on the other hand goes through 4K/month with no issues.
Truly is a wonderful pistol.
Dexter Morgan
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Maybe it's because they don't have the tight tolerances of an accurate gun.
Even better argument, maybe Glock are not as reliable as 1911 or P226 in real-life.
That would explain why no Tier 1 NATO special forces use Glocks...
Alex
I don't know if that is a very good representation of Glock reliability. Anyone else notice that it seemed like he was limp wristing some of the shots and seemed to have a much more solid grip on others? A lot of muzzle flip on some but almost none on others.
Even if it was a legitimate problem with that pistol it was prob 1 in a hundred thousand pistols to have problems like that.
I am sure if it was a pistol problem Glock would either fix it or replace it with little hassle.
Apparently it was a problem with the pistol. From the comments section, "its fixed it was a guide rod thanks voyager".
I think making bold statements like GunGuy34's when speaking about mechanical instruments doesn't make a lot of sense. It's mechanical and therefore will eventually have a defect or failure. Are those failure rates low, yes, but they still exist.
Are we willing to bet that Glock has never had a warranty repair that they couldn't blame the shooter for?
Dexter Morgan
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Well it's certainly a counterpoint to the claim that "Glocks NEVER jam".
That, and the fact that most of us have actually seen a Glock jam from time to time. I know I've seen plenty. Certainly as many as Berettas, CZs, M&Ps or Sigs.
1911 style guns certainly jam a hell of a lot more though.
Only because the owners fix them to run better to the point they won't run at all.
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CZ 75 B is used by more Governments, Militaries, Police and Security agencies than any other pistol in the world. The CZ 75 is quite possibly the perfect pistol.
All steel construction (except alloy framed compacts)
High capacity double column magazines
Hammer forged barrels
Ergonomic grip and controls
Unparallel accuracy
Slide-in-frame design for better recoil control
3 dot sighting system (Tritium night sights available)
Smooth double action and crisp single action
Extended service life due to advanced design and superior materials
Firing pin block safety
Designed in 1975, the CZ 75 utilizes all the best features from service pistols around the world. An entire family of pistols is available based on the basic CZ 75 design, Compacts, Decockers, Double action only, Single action only, Ambidextrous, alloy frames and even Competition pistols.
Its very rare in my experience, sure it could happen, but 99.999 percent of the time a Glock is good to go out of the box and will not jam unless its screwed with somehow. Either by using reloads, limp wristing or screwing with a good design like some folks like to do.
Only legitimate issues that were raised were with Gen 4s, as far as Gen 3s are concerned I have seen no issues myself.
Dexter Morgan
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What do you consider an "issue"?
Most people don't consider the occasional jam an "issue". They just clear the jam and continue shooting. They don't call customer service to complain, nor should they.
Jams are a fact of life when shooting ANY semi-auto pistol.
Do you really think agencies that issue Glocks don't do clearance drills as part of their training?
Firearms Trainer says; "Well this is the part of the program when we would normally practice clearance drills. But since you are all being issued magic Glocks, we can just skip this section completely. Class dismissed."
Im talking issues with the equipment itself, such as the Gen 4 recoil spring problem.
However, there are apparently a lot of other issues with Gen 4s as i learned in another thread. If you want to know ask this guy:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/member.php?u=18025
Thats where i got the info from.
There fixed 'er
Favourite Hack quote here:
"The CZ is the third most common issue pistol, after the Glock and the USP 9. It's the low-ball third world bid. That's where it's issued. In the rest of the world, good luck."
Gen 3 9mm Glocks, in general, are about as reliable a pistol as has ever been built. Gen 4s have had some issues but it sounds like they're starting to get them dialed.
Why are they so reliable? I am sure the frame-slide clearance helps. The barrel locks up to the slide, which is why they are fairly accurate despite their large clearances. Incidentally this is also a big part of why the 226 is so accurate; Glock stole the lockup design from SIG.
At this point, anybody who is unaware that the Gen 3 9mm Glocks are extremely reliable is either too young to read, or willfully ignorant. It's as established a fact as it's ever going to get.
They do experience stoppages. But on average, if you put a million rounds through 100 G17s, and a million rounds through 100 CZ75s, or 1911s, or XDs, you will get fewer stoppages on the Glocks.
At this point I think it's tough to call on the M&P series...I think they have a lot of potential but I'm also aware of a series of really lousy decisions at S&W which definitely had a negative impact on their performance.
The HKs seem to be as reliable as ever. I doubt they are any less reliable than the Glocks, although I hate HK triggers and don't shoot them much as a result.
The 226 has had build issues for a while now and I think your odds of getting a good 226 are probably similar to your odds of getting a good Gen 4 or MP9. Pretty good...not the guarantee it used to be though.
CZ is not playing on the level of Glock, S&W, or HK. They are popular in competition circles and they are issued mainly in places that are not exactly "cutting edge" on guns. If that's important to a buyer the CZ is not a good choice; if what you want is a range gun that will work fine under normal conditions and with normal maintenance, and you don't mind DA/SA triggers, the CZ is fine.
The same can be said for Glocks. LEO's get issued them because they cost next to nothing relative to steel framed guns to produce and sell to Departments well under $500. per pop and the guns do take a lot of abuse. Too, the fact they are light on the hip is an attraction for most I would think.
The biggest deterrent to the CZ line for years was the fact former Czechoslovakia lie on the wrong side of the iron curtain. The design is one of most copied. Here is a partial list:
CZ Pattern Pistol Makers
Chile
www.famae.cl/
www.famae.cl/sala_pistolas.php
Czech Republic
www.czub.cz
www.czstrakonice.cz
Israel
www.imi-israel.com
www.bultransmark.com/index2.htm
Italy
www.renatogamba.it/catalogue/index.html
www.tanfoglio.it
Peoples Republic of China
www.norinco.com
Philippines
www.armscor.com.ph
Romania
www.romarm.ro
Switzerland
www.sphinxarms.com
www.asai-ag.ch/default.html
Turkey
www.canik55.com
www.sarsilmaz.com
Ukraine
www.fort.vn.ua
For most shooters a CZ/Tanfoglio will provide a lifetime of shooting, is just as reliable as any well built pistol, including a Glock. If somebody would like to tell us what relevance a Glock going 1,000 rounds without cleaning has in the real world of LEO/Sports shooting I would like to hear it. Great guns to be sure but there is more than a little hype to all of this.
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Bob
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