why are M305 5/20 mags welded on the baseplate?

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and how do i clean them out? if i break/cut the welds am I in some kind of trouble? I have something rattling around in one of my mags, want to clean it.

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The base plate is welded?
Wierd, is this one of the new imports??
It is perfectly legal to disassemble your mags for cleaning, re-pinning, changing out a spring, replacing a worn follower..... Dremel away ;)
 
Thats weird .. the last Norc mag i bought with a welded baseplate was roughly 8 - 10 months ago , all the ones ive bought recently have no weld and just the metal limiter in them ..
 
3 annoying little spot welds on each one I have (all from ~ 6 months ago).

boring, but out comes the dremel.

here is what the look like:

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Not sure I would be dremelling that ... if there is an oversize follower in there, you may be turing your mag prohib as it may then fit the definition of being 'easily converted' to a capacity higher than 5 rounds ...
 
well, if there are 5/20's out there not welded, then cutting the welds would render mine as a match to those, so that should be OK. and any pinned/riveted mag is easily converted, isn't it? as I read the law, I do not see the words "easily converted" anywhere -- it's black and white -- how many rounds does it hold?

I just wish I knew why they were welded in the 1st place, I am not sure what I will find when I open them up . . . I am assuming they have an oversize follower to occupy the space of 15 rounds.
 
that's just plain downright STUPID- however, you CAN get a brush ( kleen-bore i think) that allows you to clean the sides while depressing the follower- all i ever did was put a pop rivet through the hole at the back
 
Well, there was a shipment of mags manufactured with no pin and and oversized follower to maintain capacity at 5 and it was seized. Sounds like these are the same with the addition of welds to prevent tampering and thereby allow importation.

And IIRC the 'easily converted' quote is from a subsequent court case and not directly from legislation.

One could always drill and rivet these to 5 just to be sure .... I'd hate to see you get pinched over something this stupid.
 
I have some early AR-10 mags that also have welded floorplates. Later versions were not welded. If you remove the welds and see that the follower is such that it can easily be converted to full capacity, just have them spot welded again. As for the question on how easily it can be converted to full capacity, my original SAN 5/30 mags have a tiny hex screw as the follower block, with so little epoxy keeping screwed in, they backed out on their own while firing! I had to screw them back in and apply epoxy to make sure they remain legal but a hex key and very little force is required to back them up or remove them. The mags came into the country like this and I believe they are still sold as such. I cannot think of an easier mag to revert to full capacity so what constitutes a "legal" limiter is still an open question to me.
 
Pop rivet it first, then remove welds. That way you won't be breaking the law. If it has a follower that limits the capacity instead of a pin that's why it's welded I'm sure. Like the tapco Sks mags, they have that plastic cap so it can't de disassembled easily. Pretty sure I read somewhere if you have all the prices in a bag disassembled only the mag shell is illegal if it's not pinned. But I ain't no lawyer, call the cfc and squawk at them for the silliness of it all.
 
Every single 5/20 mag I got with rifles from marstar, dark international, and several other suppliers since as far back as I remember, came with the long tab, welded to the follower.
NONE of these has the actual floor plate welded.
Making your floorplate removeable has zero to do with modifying the mag to accept more ammunition than it was designed for.
 
Most of mine have the long follower, and no welds. A few more have rivets and no long follower. To me, it's easier to drill out a rivet rather than cut off a long follower, but hey, there we go makign sense again :rolleyes:
 
I would bet it's safe to say some at BSC or RCMP had a hard on for the importer if their shipment of previously acceptable mags had to be welded prior to import. Sounds fishy to me.
Average LEO or CO is gonna look for capacity not how that capacity was achieved... Unless they got a hard on for ya LOL
I won't say what's legal or not, as long as your intent is NOT to alter capacity.... Which is not achieved by modding the floor plate to make it removeable for cleaning, replacing a worn or damaged follower or weak spring. Let's get serious here. :rolleyes:
 
I was scared for a moment, I still want to get a few 5/20 mags, but not if they are welded... I wonder if this will drive up the price on non welded mags? :mad:
 
Sure, but none of this speaks to the point ... is it legal or not?
My information suggests that "every mag I ever bought was this way" may not hold up especially considering that a line was drawn recently regarding importing such mags (about a year ago, I believe). It also explains why the new mags have welded bottoms ...

Of course a guy could always provoke a court case just to be sure ...
 
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