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The 5/20 mags that I purchased this year all have normal followers, removable baseplates and a single rivet in the spine for the five round limit.
why are M305 5/20 mags welded on the baseplate?
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The 5/20 mags that I purchased this year all have normal followers, removable baseplates and a single rivet in the spine for the five round limit.
yes.
This is just a silly thing to not worry about. Given that there are THOUSANDS of both usgi mags with rivets and removeable baseplates and Norinco mags with long follower tabs and removeable baseplates in Canada.
IF IT WERE NOW LAW, that the baseplate must be welded, everyone with an M14S or M1A would have gotten a letter from CFC.
That or there are thousands of us running around with these prohibited mags and the bulls are just waiting to swoop in and snatch us all off to jail if our 5/20 mags are missing a weld on the base plate.
Again I'll say, let's get serious, the sky is not gonna fall if at the end of the day your magazine is blocked by rivet or welded follower tab to the legal 5 rounds.
My best advice is, if you think it might be a grey area as some would have you believe, don't talk about it on the internet
IF IT WERE NOW LAW, that the baseplate must be welded, everyone with an M14S or M1A would have gotten a letter from CFC.
That or there are thousands of us running around with these prohibited mags and the bulls are just waiting to swoop in and snatch us all off to jail if our 5/20 mags are missing a weld on the base plate.
Again I'll say, let's get serious, the sky is not gonna fall if at the end of the day your magazine is blocked by rivet or welded follower tab to the legal 5 rounds.
My best advice is, if you think it might be a grey area as some would have you believe, don't talk about it on the internet
If you rivet the base plate through the hole visible in your pic, that should prevent access to 'easily convert' your magazine to a capacity higher than 5. This assumes you have already inadvertently cut the welds and wish to avoid any possible legal complications. Just be sure that the floorplate cannot be easily removed (ie, without tools) once the rivet is installed and you should be good to go.
If riveting the existing hole doesn't give a satisfactory result, you may need to try something else. We are both in the lower mainland, feel free to email me at tacrifle@gmail.com if you need help.
Not trying to be a troll or an ass Dave, nor am I trying to make a mountain out of a molehill, but can you post a link to factual information regarding this "law" you speak of?
If what you are saying is true in that there is in fact a "law" requiring our mags to have welded floor plates..... Every person that posesses such unwelded mags, lawfully obtained or not .... Is right at this moment a crimminal and in posession of prohibited devices.
This is kinda a big deal is it not?
I'm surprised the importer did not appeal and cite the fact that thousands of these mags exist legally in canada as we speak.
Be a neat trick welding the base plate on Glock magazines...
Maybe they are exempt from this seemingly new and mysterious legal requirement??
Not written into law per se, at least not in that form ... but the result of legal precedents some quite recent. But do be careful what you ask for: IIRC provision was made for using like materials where non metal parts were concerned, so you might be required to epoxy your mags in that kind of circumstance, not that I am aware of any similar need for Glock mags (ie- shorter followers available in quantity).
In a sense you have a point, as the full implications have not been thought through, nor fully realized .... which is a good argument for further changes to the Firearms Act ASAP. In my view, an end to all mag restrictions is the obvious solution.
In the meantime, stay clear of the legal brambles ...
The law has not changed.
As I understand it there are two things at work here.
One is the ability to import stuff ... somehow the standards have changed over the last year or so. I was in the process of buying mags for resale and was told that none were available at the time as a large shipment had been seized due to the fact that the mags were of the type whose capacity was limited by use of a large follower.
The other is a legal precedent which stated that magazines were required to be limited in such a way as to not be "easy to convert". I do not have access to this ruling and would have to search for it. It dates back to the early days of the Campbell laws and have probably been mimicked in the "guidelines" concerning prohibited devices.
Yet another legal precedent occurred within the last year or two and involved disassembled mags. Remember when we all thought "mag kits" were ok? Well, this judge found that they were not, and in fact that the mag body was the critical component in determining the legality of a magazine.
I mention this case as it may have been the catalyst which emboldened Customs to further restrict what could be brought into the country, mag wise. This would explain why the long follower mag was allowed in for quite some time, then suddenly, was disallowed ... we are back to rivets, which one might argue, alter the mag body.
So how do the welded bottoms qualify? I suppose since they are welded to the body one could argue that the body has been somehow altered. I admit that pinning the baseplate may not be the best alternative, but it is something. The safest recourse at this point is to drill the body of the mag at the appropriate place and rivet it. This is the standard acceptable even for imported magazines these days.
I will see if I can find the legal references for you, but I do not have them to hand. I do know that in the course of my regular contact with importers, that these are the issues ...
Now, are you risking immediate arrest for having incorrectly pinned mags? That is a different question entirely. I was told by a VPD officer that in the early days of Campbell's Act (may she burn in hell) any attempt to limit mags meant that there would be no further action taken. This would include the simple insertion of a wooden block to limit capacity, for example. As time has progressed, I suspect that this attitude has changed but not in a uniform way. So we are left with uncertainty and a policy which is gradually becoming more restrictive.
In my view it is important not to fall afoul of any possible law or interpretation thereof which might threaten one's ability to own and enjoy firearms.
People should not be deceived by the fact that some have been leniently treated in certain circumstances. Catching a break on a traffic ticket does not invalidate the laws on speeding .... you can still pay the price if you break the law, and in this case the consequence is far more serious.
I bought a couple of M305 mags from SFRC last year and the base plate was welded to the mag body in one spot.
I suppose if it were necessary one could measure where a rivet would need to go (anybody got that measurement handy???), put a rivet in the mag body, and grind off the weld so that the base plate could be removed for cleaning/maintenance of the mag.
Yes M14Doctor, mag capacity limits DO blow goats. Thanks a lot, f**king Lieberals!!!
I suppose if it were necessary one could measure where a rivet would need to go (anybody got that measurement handy???), put a rivet in the mag body, and grind off the weld so that the base plate could be removed for cleaning/maintenance of the mag.
Yes M14Doctor, mag capacity limits DO blow goats. Thanks a lot, f**king Lieberals!!!
With such convoluted laws, endless ambiguity, and various conflicting interpretations, how in God's name could we accomplish this? That's impossible.....
My advice is to try your best to comply with what you have, and don't worry so much about every little possible twist and turn, otherwise you'll drive yourself nutz!
