Why couldn't I use 303 British for hunting?

HD - Otta save those, Optics Planet says they're Out of Production. Didja pull one to see what the base is ? And the 'Tula' flavour is bi-metal jackets so ?maybe? the steel is stronger if the wolf are the same mfr ?
 
Buck1950 said:
HD - Otta save those, Optics Planet says they're Out of Production. Didja pull one to see what the base is ? And the 'Tula' flavour is bi-metal jackets so ?maybe? the steel is stronger if the wolf are the same mfr ?
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I pulled one years ago, don't recall anything of note other than the base being lead. I've got a few boxes of it still.
 
Buck1950 said:
I mentioned that thought here a while back (2-3 years) and it was pointed out to me that many FMJ bullets have an open lead base, Not 'really' Full Metal. As Tiriac said, The lead core could get 'blown out' the filed 'HP Tip', leaving some or all of the copper jacket in the bore. Pull a bullet sample to verify you have a copper based bullet b4 you file away.
I then started buying SP bullets or 'all lead'.
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Now I really want to try it! I don’t have any FMJs so I’ll file the base off a cup n core. … and see.
 
Well, I tried it, albeit with just one bullet ( hey, my 25-y-o RCBS inertial bullet puller packed it in - so what’s a guy to do?) and the bullet what it was expected to do; exit the barrel and hit what I aimed at. And the follow-up shot wasn’t impeded by “anything” left in the barrel. I found the notion that a bullet’s lead core could be forced to overcome the ogive of the gilding material to the extent that the bullet’s outer casing would remain in the barrel so improbable that it was worth the test.
 
iron cat said:
I couldn't find it anywhere in the Ontario regulations about bullet construction, so it is probably covered under the Wildlife act.
Our regulations in Alberta however very clearly state that non expanding bullets are illegal
Cat
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I thought the same here in Ontario and argued this with other gun guys and hunters but after checking regs then calling the MNR I was told it wasn't illegal to hunt big game with FMJ in Ontario. It certainly may not be illegal but it's unethical and stupid to do so as you'll only wound, maim animals and will never find them causing them to suffer for no reason and wasting game.
 
Callee said:
That makes sense, thanks guys. Just out of curiosity, I called that Canadian Tire store to ask them what the two brands of 303 British were that they had in stock, and whether either of them was FMJ. Getting through to a person and their phone system though was an impossible task. The first time I called, I eventually got through to a person, but then that person said there was no one in the store who knew anything about guns, and could I call back in an hour? I called back an hour later, the first four times I called no one answered at all it just rang and rang and rang. Finally someone answered, but he might have thought it was an internal call or something, cuz he didn't answer in a business way, like saying thank you for calling Canadian Tire this is so and so how may I help you, no he just answered casually saying " hey, I'm on my break, can I call you back?" I said sure, but I'm looking for someone who knows about firearms. He replied oh I'll transfer you, and then it rang and rang and rang and no one answered again. All that to say, the customer service at this Canadian Tire doesn't seem to be all that, so maybe the clerk in the gun Department that day didn't even know what he was talking about! But if the other box they had in stock was FMJ, then that would make sense, thanks.
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Just look at the box or the ammo, this isnt difficult.
Callee said:
This is probably going to be a dumb question, a shot in the dark question, but I'm filing it under it doesn't hurt to ask.

The other day I was down in the city and I was in the local Canadian Tire which has a large firearms Department. I asked the clerk what they had for 303 British, because I've been working a lot with the Lee Enfield rifle I got this year trying to improve my aim, and I was running low on ammo.

The clerk replied that they had two brands in stock, the PPU which I ended up buying, and some other brand which I forget.

The clerk right away asked me if this was for hunting, because he said one of the brands they had could be used for hunting while the other could not.

I replied that it was just for target practice and I would take the cheaper one, so he handed me the PPU rifle line and I left.

So I don't remember if it was the PPU or whatever the other brand was that I could not use for hunting, but as I drove home I started wondering about that and wishing I had asked a little bit more what he was talking about. Why would I be able to use one brand for hunting but not the other?

This is just a theoretical question, since I'm pretty sure I'm never taking my lee enfield hunting, but I was just curious as to what could be so different from one brand to the other that you'd be allowed to use one brand for hunting but not the other. I mean what rules would he even be referring to?

Can anyone Hazard a guess as to what that clerk may have been talking
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Sully1957 said:
I thought the same here in Ontario and argued this with other gun guys and hunters but after checking regs then calling the MNR I was told it wasn't illegal to hunt big game with FMJ in Ontario. It certainly may not be illegal but it's unethical and stupid to do so as you'll only wound, maim animals and will never find them causing them to suffer for no reason and wasting game.
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I have seen mk7 ball do what it was intended to do on a black bear once. Not saying I support the idea but it did the job at the time.
 
Callee said:
This is probably going to be a dumb question, a shot in the dark question, but I'm filing it under it doesn't hurt to ask.

The other day I was down in the city and I was in the local Canadian Tire which has a large firearms Department. I asked the clerk what they had for 303 British, because I've been working a lot with the Lee Enfield rifle I got this year trying to improve my aim, and I was running low on ammo.

The clerk replied that they had two brands in stock, the PPU which I ended up buying, and some other brand which I forget.

The clerk right away asked me if this was for hunting, because he said one of the brands they had could be used for hunting while the other could not.

I replied that it was just for target practice and I would take the cheaper one, so he handed me the PPU rifle line and I left.

So I don't remember if it was the PPU or whatever the other brand was that I could not use for hunting, but as I drove home I started wondering about that and wishing I had asked a little bit more what he was talking about. Why would I be able to use one brand for hunting but not the other?

This is just a theoretical question, since I'm pretty sure I'm never taking my lee enfield hunting, but I was just curious as to what could be so different from one brand to the other that you'd be allowed to use one brand for hunting but not the other. I mean what rules would he even be referring to?

Can anyone Hazard a guess as to what that clerk may have been talking about?
Thanks
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FMJ
 
factory ppu has a good punch to it and will knock down many animals. i reload the brass with cast and get 1 inch groups at 50 yards all day long. where i hunt deer a long shot is 75 yards in the woods and i have dropped many deer with my no4 mk 1 rifle. save your brass as it is getting expensive and you may need it for the future.
 
Callee said:
That makes sense, thanks guys. Just out of curiosity, I called that Canadian Tire store to ask them what the two brands of 303 British were that they had in stock, and whether either of them was FMJ. Getting through to a person and their phone system though was an impossible task. The first time I called, I eventually got through to a person, but then that person said there was no one in the store who knew anything about guns, and could I call back in an hour? I called back an hour later, the first four times I called no one answered at all it just rang and rang and rang. Finally someone answered, but he might have thought it was an internal call or something, cuz he didn't answer in a business way, like saying thank you for calling Canadian Tire this is so and so how may I help you, no he just answered casually saying " hey, I'm on my break, can I call you back?" I said sure, but I'm looking for someone who knows about firearms. He replied oh I'll transfer you, and then it rang and rang and rang and no one answered again. All that to say, the customer service at this Canadian Tire doesn't seem to be all that, so maybe the clerk in the gun Department that day didn't even know what he was talking about! But if the other box they had in stock was FMJ, then that would make sense, thanks.
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You can just look at tge ammunition you purchased?
 
I love it when people answer after only reading the original post in a thread, then skip the subsequent posts that have already addressed the original question numerous times.
Especially in a thread that's over a year old.
 
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