Why did Norinco copy the M14?
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for the last time...... this is not correct
WHY did china reverse engineer the m14 wayyyyy back in the 60's?
because they knew it was a good battle rifle and are a global arms supplier.......
China , mainland communist china, did not have U.S. involvement in the early rifles they produced...... thus the complaints about poor machining and soft parts wayyyyy back.
later , pre 90's, the Chinese did get some American help (NOT machinery). the receivers they made back then are the ones we have been getting since the 90's till now.
TAIWAN , which is not communist china are the folks who purchased U.S. tooling.
companies like wayne machine and red white and blue are in countries like korea and Taiwan and no doubt are using that American tooling to make all kinds of parts for American M1A and m14SA type rifles being offered today.
for any of us M14 rifle fanboys hehehehe you MUST go to lee emerson's website, m14.ca posted an excerpt from that site a few posts ago. you have an m14 question, lee's history and development of the M14 is the trusted source on that subject matter
They very well could, but the serial number would have to start with AL, and they'd also have an angle cut on the front.
The M14 is still inventoried by the Philippine Marines. A camouflaged and scoped M14 was part of the Philippine Marines and NAVSOG weapons display at the July 2014 Asian Defence and Security Exhibition (Pasay City, Philipines).
perhaps the easiest way to tell the "original" receivers from the later production models is to look at the location of the takedown notch on the right rail- the 1 I have is correct on all accounts- 1-the serial starts with AL000###, 2 - the scope mount has been milled off at a 30 degree angle so that's damned near impossible to mount a scope on there, 3 the right rail has the takedown notch in the middle instead of at the end of the rail, 4) the trigger group has a second set of hammer hooks on the hammer, 5 the bayonet mount has been milled off- 6 if you look at the heel you will see where the selector switch mount was milled off- and 7 the early ones are a deep BLUE- even the cleaning rod- and there's only an oil bottle not the correct oil/grease - and the hole for it is 2 short- oh yea, one more thing- it has only the norinco star and "made in proc" on the left side of the receiver- no model number
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These M14 rifles were apparently US manufacturer marked.
The Chinese also manufactured "false coded" 7.62NATO ball to go with these M14 rifles.
L2A2 / RG / 60 / [NATO cross-in-circle]
http://iaaforum.org/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=3251&p=20860&hilit=radway+steel#p20860
It is marked as L2A2 Radway Green ball.
The cardboard boxes have british labels and the cases are also Radway Green marked.
It is copper washed steel case which is corrosive. There is a greenish tint in the extractor cut.
I spoke to a fellow who fired it out of L42 sniper and failed to clean it afterwards. He was somewhat upset about having to install the new barrel.
I have a single cartridge of this ammo in my collection.
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The old polytech rifles were that blued finish and had the mid take down notch, were milled where the nasty bits used to go (some LOL).
I've got a barrelled action and a stripped (cracked barrel ring) receiver of this variety. Neither one has serial numbers both have scope mount detail. Oddly, the connector pin holes are larger than common.
"Collector" pieces for me
I've got a barrelled action and a stripped (cracked barrel ring) receiver of this variety. Neither one has serial numbers both have scope mount detail. Oddly, the connector pin holes are larger than common.
"Collector" pieces for me
Exactly so... If someone wanted to spring for a new wooden stock from the folks at Springfield Armory and drop the guts of Norinco's M305 in it, you'd have a dandy rifle indeed, even though the Chinese are still not big on the fit and finish aspects of firearms production. The M-14 was/is one of the best main battle rifles ever produced. It was used mainly in the role of a sniper rifle by combat units in Vietnam. The troops who had the good fortune of being issued one were thankful. The M16 did not fare well in S-E Asia. Even under the plethora of new variants (M16A2, M4A1, etc...), the .223 round is still a pissant when compared to what used to be the NATO standard 7.62x51 round. The ability of a soldier to carry more rounds into battle superceded the importance of marksmanship apparently, as many American GIs adopted the 'spray and pray' technique when engaging VC/NVA forces. As our lads from 3rd Bn. PPCLI demonstrated so ably in Afghanistan, marksmanship in the Canadian Forces is still taught... and taught well.
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The M14 rifles manufactured in the 1960s at State Arsenal 356 (Kunming, Yunnan, People's Republic of China) did not have US type markings. The receiver heel was marked M14 with an eight digit serial number underneath.
Taiwan government produced T57 rifles were marked on the receiver heel with two rows of Chinese language characters above a six digit number.
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Oh to get ones mitts on a T57 .... Probably unobtainium I would assume. My collection is incomplete
I've read one account, more than ten years ago, of a private individual living in Taiwan purchasing a T57 rifle. Agreed, T57 rifles are likely unobtainium.
I only know what a somewhat vertically challenged, polite gentleman told me, if he was wrong, that would be interesting. He described those receivers to me as being "bit of a mixture - some remains of Philippine misadventure, some commercial production". These were the first Chinese made M14 receivers sold (at least in Canada to my knowledge).
BTW - lose the tone, I don't care who you are, I don't come here to entertain you or anyone else, that's what I was told by Allan, take it or leave it.
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