Why did this happen - M14s?

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At the range the other day with one of my Norcs. I was trying to do a mag change but couldn't seat the mag. When I looked into the mag well I noticed that the recoil spring & recoil spring guide rod had come lose and ejected into the magazine well. Upon field strip noted that what had happened was that the lug that locks the recoil spring guide rod into position had somehow come lose and moved over the the left, thus allowing the rod and spring to come free.

Why the heck did this happen, and more importantly, how to ensure this does not occur again?
 
Check your stock. Most USGI stock's need a mod done to them as they have a longer op-rod retainer needed for the "fun switch". If not a USGI stock please post some pic's as I would love to see how your rifle failed for my libary of problem pic's. Also some of the guru's will be able to better help you on telling you how to correct your problem.
 
I've had the same problem happen a few times since switching to the Sage EBR stock. I never noticed it on the original stock before that but it seems like it just gets rocked loose every once & awhile.
 
yup brownells...... it's a TWO DOLLAR AND 50 CENT PIN and i'm gonna bet that there is a whack of guys out there with this problem cuz my guess is the guys that sold it to you didn't inform you that you would need one...... good thing you have all of us to help you out hehehehe

this is the second thread dedicated to this issue AND not only that....... My email inbox has another dozen .... not kidding..... people wondering why thier rifle is malfuntioning after installing to one of these new sage stocks. So perhaps those dealers selling these stocks should WARN YOUR CUSTOMERS .... cuz i ain't getting paid to solve this problem for you (the sage dealers)...... you guys did when you sold the stocks and I'm wasting a lot of my time serviceing your clients over a silly little 2.50 pin. Do i sound a little pissed? 850.00 stock...... 2.50 cent pin...... priceless.
 
Who did you buy the norc from?? I know one of my douchebag friends had the same problem with his M14 and he sold the rifle without fixing it or telling the buyer about it. He did give the guy a good deal tho.
 
thx for the help all - M14 doc, can't argue with your logic...for the cost of these darn things it would be decent to know about potential complications with the Norcs...particularily since they dominate the CND market.

As for who i bought it off, not an issue at this time...more interested in fixing her up. What excatly is the connector pin - is that the component that moves left and right (trapping the recoil rod & spring) or is it the little pin that sticks out of that component that allows you to operate it?

sorry for the lack of correct terminology on this...

anyone have a pic of how it should look with the correct connector pin in place?
 
Here' ya go, the link to explain and fix your problem http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38722. It's Norc specific since the US made M1A's have the longer pin and don't cause a problem. BTW, Norcs are prohibited in the US :D That's why Sage doesn't know about it. Also, IIRC, the Norc pin has a slightly different diameter than the USGI pin, so better check on that before "splurging" on a $2.50 pin. The popsicle fix is a good no cost fix that many of us have performed on our M14S's. Glue a piece of popsicle stick into the space where indicated or you can build up the area with expoxie as per the forum link. Good luck :)
 
perhaps my post sounded like a rant at cndn sage dealers but it was not hehehe. there are in fact dealers who are installing/supplying the modified m1a connector lock pin. I've found the M1A ones are very close to the chinese ones in diameter, they just need a bit of a polishing. Some guys don't want to put glues, popsicle sticks and epoxies on thier pricey aluminum stock. most of us experienced m14 nutz here know all about the little tricks...... but many folks that are mostly on the site to shop for goodies not commonly advertised outside cgn.......are not aware or do not want to modify the stock and would prefer a true drop in package.
As an option, for the crafty folks..... find an appropriate drill bit in the exact diameter of the chinese pin.... trial fit to your receiver, and cut it off the back end , long enough to duplicate an m1a pin..... it's about an 1/8 longer..... but i can check that for folks interested. The pin does not need the little retaining pin like the original pin has, once it's assembled in the stock it cannot come out.
 
M14 Doctor.When I got my JAE stock it came with the longer pin to prevent this problem however the new pin is a couple thou bigger then the oringinal hole,Do you inlarge the hole or what.I got arround the problem by having a machinest make up some pins out of drill steel and harding them.
 
M14Doctor.
Do you perhaps have a pick of where the pins should go on a SAGE stock. I recently bought a SAGE stock but I was unaware of this problem ( I am a M14 noob :D )
Sorry :redface: I know you don't like dealing with this crap but your help is very appreciated :p
 
Scharfschütze said:
M14Doctor.
Do you perhaps have a pick of where the pins should go on a SAGE stock. I recently bought a SAGE stock but I was unaware of this problem ( I am a M14 noob :D )
Sorry :redface: I know you don't like dealing with this crap but your help is very appreciated :p
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it is the pin in the front lower of the reciever that holds the operating rod spring guide rod in place. The chinese one , when installed sits flush with the receiver..... the M1A or usgi one protrudes slightly out the right hand side of the receiver.
if you compare a chinese factory stock to a unaltered usgi type stock, be it wood, fiberglass or american made aluminum stock, you will notice the U.S. made stock has a cavity..... thus the need for a longer pin when installing a chinese rifle to a us spec stock.
On wood and fiberglass, the epoxy fill or posicle stick mod is excellent in lieu of the longer pin as the epoxies will bond nicely. With aluminum..... it would be preferable and a permanent fix to simply find the appropriate pin
 
M14Doctor said:
it is the pin in the front lower of the reciever that holds the operating rod spring guide rod in place. The chinese one , when installed sits flush with the receiver..... the M1A or usgi one protrudes slightly out the right hand side of the receiver.
if you compare a chinese factory stock to a unaltered usgi type stock, be it wood, fiberglass or american made aluminum stock, you will notice the U.S. made stock has a cavity..... thus the need for a longer pin when installing a chinese rifle to a us spec stock.
On wood and fiberglass, the epoxy fill or posicle stick mod is excellent in lieu of the longer pin as the epoxies will bond nicely. With aluminum..... it would be preferable and a permanent fix to simply find the appropriate pin
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Thanks for the info.
 
The question needs to be asked then: How does one get the old pin out in order to replace it? That little rascal of a retaining pin needs to come out first.
 
My advice, don't bother replacing the retaining pin................the easiest fix is to do the Hungry Popsicle stick Mod..........you can either glue it in place or use 3m automotive double sided tape to hold it in place. I did this when I had the Sage stock and it worked great............ or the build up epoxy method....................

If you are going to swap the retaining pics, you either have to enlarge the hole (drilling into a hardened, forged steel receiver...), or find/make a new pin to fit the existing hole size..........

Just my $ .02 worth......... ;)
 
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