Why do we do it to ourselves

enefgee said:
The Tavor (like the Swisarms) is a real combat rifle, designed for and accepted by a military as it's primary service rifle - the other 2 are "military styled" rifles. Big difference.
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The xcr was designed to replace the m4 for the USA contract that at the end told all the manufactures that particapated which included Robinson arms with the xcr that Nahh we changed our minds we will keep the m4

The xcr and acr are battle riffles desined for that purpose

You can't go wrong with either one
 
WAREWOLF said:
The xcr was designed to replace the m4 for the USA contract that at the end told all the manufactures that particapated which included Robinson arms with the xcr that Nahh we changed our minds we will keep the m4

The xcr and acr are battle riffles desined for that purpose

You can't go wrong with either one
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The XCR is a hobby rifle. I love mine, but I'm under no delusions about what it is.
 
Bigdonkey said:
That's true. But if I want to keep the half I get now I should make sure the wife is on the same page. Lol. You see I'm on a work release program. I work and release my pay to the wife. Hahahahahahaha the little she lets me play with is just enough to keep me out of trouble.
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LOL

hey, I'm just trying to be an enabler. It sounds like your crying out for one. BUY IT NOW!
 
WAREWOLF said:
what the XCR ened up becoming is what it is a hoby gun.

i would not take it to battle but that is what it's intended purpose was.

but not quite there thow
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How is it different now than what was submitted to the trial?

IMO, it was submitted only as a PR exercise, not because it was ready for prime time.
 
Stevo said:
How is it different now than what was submitted to the trial?

IMO, it was submitted only as a PR exercise, not because it was ready for prime time.
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That is what i ment it is the same as it was submitted but just not quite a battle ready riffle.

but a battle ready riffle is what Rob Arms was trying to desingn but didnt pull it off.
 
Bigdonkey said:
So the wife and I are spending the weekend at our cabin without the booger eaters celebrating the 9th year of marriage, our as i refer to it, the near end of my prison sentence lol. Something we haven't done since our first boy was born.
On our way into town for dinner i suggested we stop by the local sporting goods store to have a look see at what they have. I was very surprised when she said ok.
Well as you might guess dinner was put on hold for a bit when i spotted a JR Carbine in the rack. I have been contemplating getting one for a few months now and was surprised to see one there. I probably would have walked out with it if it had been in 9mm and i didn't have a little bird squacking in my ear. Man wife's are so damned reasonable.
Anyway after fondleing it for good while the sales guy pointed at an XCR in .308, then he placed a benelli on the counter. He wasn't done there. Next was an ACR in the.223 and a Kiss Vector in the.45 ACP? THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST was the TAVOR.
Yes a very tricked out specimen that was the show stealer.
I couldnt belive that all these rifles were in the same place for me to play with.
I haven't been able to think straight since. All i keep thinking about are those rifles and how lucky i was to have a chance to put them all to my shoulder in one store.
So now I'm not sure about the JR. Damn i did it to my self again and I'm going to have to start looking for a better paying corner to support my gun addiction.
On first impressions i loved the feel and ergoes of the TAVOR. But the XCR was a very close second. As for the vector it was a nice rig and felt ok but i couldn't get over how ugly it looked with that big can on the barrel but the wife loved it. Hmm i could be missing something here.lol
The big surprise was the ACR and how light it seemed compared to the XCR. But unfortunately by the time the conversion to NR was done the price would be out of my range. As far as the ergoes between the ACR and thE XCR go no real difference to me, and don't think the extra cost of turning the ACRinto NR would be justified.
I was really surprised at how much that little JR weighed, but felt good shouldered. As for the benelli. Didn't like it at all felt bulky and wrong.
The really really really really did i say really big surprise was that friggin TAVOR. MAN THAT THING FELT AMAZING TO HOLD. I could only guess that it would be even better to shoot. And the wife loved it as well, so at least i might get to sleep on the couch and not the dog house if bring one home.
So after all that i gotta say I'm torn between two magnificent pieces of engineering with the XCR and the TAVOR.
I will still be getting a JR carbine in 9mm but think that will just be an ice breaker for the next purchase.
Although i loved the way the TTAVOR felt i think I'd go with the XCR based on price and available aftermarket. The sales guy said he'd put a package together with optics and a .308 conversion when i was ready to make a choice.
Today was good day.
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you have a price range? LOL...I didnt realize gun addiction had a limit?
 
WAREWOLF said:
That is what i ment it is the same as it was submitted but just not quite a battle ready riffle.

but a battle ready riffle is what Rob Arms was trying to desingn but didnt pull it off.
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Some US military competitions are little bit funny, not every winning design is adopted as is, more often than not they will get additional government funding to further develop the design.
 
enefgee said:
I have to admit (having been trained on the FN) I love the XCR's ergos, but it's not ready for "prime time" and the sucker ain't light.
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I think the XCR ergonomics are superior to a standard AR by a long way.

If we could get a regular profile barrel up here it should take a bunch of weight off.
 
Stevo said:
I think the XCR ergonomics are superior to a standard AR by a long way.

If we could get a regular profile barrel up here it should take a bunch of weight off.
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i think so as well regular profile at 16 inches or shorter would make a big differnce in whieght
 
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