Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?

For all who posted on this thread that said accuracy isn't everything....what the hell is the purpose of any Rifle but to deliver an aimed projectile as accurately as possible to its intend target?????? Get over yourselves.....The axis does that better that a lot of more pricey rifles so whats your problem???
Any comments about how it feels in your hands don't amount to crap if when you pull the trigger and your 3 shot group looks like a shotgun pattern. I've seen that with what lots of people think are the cream of the crop rifles.
As for falling apart the bunch of guys I know that have had axis's for multiple seasons shooting deer, coyotes etc.. Haven't seemed to have had any issues or complaints.

Again the adage "haters gonna hate" seems to apply nicely when it come to the axis. For all who have them keep shooting and smiling at the guy beside you at the range with his $1000 Remington rig that won't group as nice as your "POS" axis

Maybe you should learn what is needed from a hunting rifle before posting nonsense. First there is a difference between mechanical accuracy that can only be appreciated from a bench rest and field marksmanship, where the rifle is actually held by the hunter; there is nothing in the Axis design that benefits field marksmanship. The stock lacks stiffness, the comb barely takes the human form into consideration, and not only is the trigger poor, its non-adjustable. Game is not killed by shooting groups, and shooting groups is of no benefit when hunting. What is beneficial is the length of the shot string, that is the distance between the actual point of impact and the intended point of impact. If the two are in coincidence, life is indeed good. In this respect, thinking about realistic accuracy over normal hunting ranges, where the shot is as likely to be made off-hand as it is to be made from a low supported position, MOA is akin to measuring with a caliper and cutting with an axe.

The difference between shooting game and shooting paper is the open ended nature of the timing on a live target. The hunter cannot predict how long his target will remain motionless, so he shoots as quickly as his ability allows him to make a good shot. On a rifle range, a shooter is free to take his time, and break the shot when everything is just right. Even if he is shooting with an imposed time constraint, he knows how much time he has, and the paper target doesn't move, unless its really windy. If a game animal moves as the shot breaks, the hunter must rapidly reacquire his target before it makes cover, run the action as hard and fast as he can, while the rifle is at the shoulder, and break a follow-up shot, that hopefully accomplishes what is needed. That requires more from a rifle than the Axis can deliver. A stiff rifle action that causes the rifle to twist as the bolt handle is lifted, is not conducive to the fast follow up shots that can be required when hunting. A hunting rifle's sight should be in line with the hunter's eye, the moment his cheek hit the comb. The magazine catch should be secure and not prone to breakage even when subjected to the rough handling that might be inflicted upon a rifle in the field. The question is how far are you willing to stray from the ideal in order to obtain the deficient? Perfectly adequate and in some cases, an excellent hunting rifles can be acquired in the used market at attractive prices, one need only look at Tradex to get some idea.

There is a cost associated with hunting rifles, and while that cost can be minimized, it can only be minimized by giving up features and refinements. A rifle can be introduced to the market place at an attractive price, but if it lacks the features that define it as hunting rifle is, its not a hunting rifle, even though some may choose to hunt with it. It is possible to purchase an Axis, stabilize and reconfigure the stock or just replace it, replace the trigger with an adjustable one, polish the locking lugs, modify the magazine release, and install aftermarket iron sights. But instead of a budget priced rifle, the cost now is equal to that of a Ruger Scout, that can be unboxed, sighted in, and taken hunting, even without mounting a scope.
 
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Why is it so offensive to you, if some are overjoyed to own and shoot an accurate, inexpensive axis.....it's like calling a guys chevette a hunk of crap because you wouldn't drive one.


Lol

Ok, I'll play, let's say you and I both own chevettes, (since I have owned Axis rifles and still own budget rifles) and I point out that the car is a pile of feces where we could both own good used delorean's for the same price we paid for the chevettes. And the chevettes get us both to work, but can't take them out of town because they break down on the highway more often than not.

Now you call me a snob because I want something better and more reliable for the same cost even though I own the same fricking car you do.

I don't find it offensive that you like your chevette, I find it offensive being called a snob for having an informed opinion and common sense.


PS: the chevette was a great little car, and I have no idea about the reliability of a delorean, but let's assume it is for arguments sake.
 
Snobs are the ones that mentioned they never owened one and aren't ever going too! Apparently their rifle skills are better than the poor little "POS" axis deserves. Or they deserve better a $300.00 accurate rifle??????

Defies logic IMO

Why do some think "save for something better" define better. My sons axis shoots as well or better than my model 11, my brothers parker hale, my Winchester 94's, my friends BAR,his A-bolt and 700 rem. So what the argument?

First off where do you get the notion the Axis is more accurate than the average modern factory bolt action? It's not. I don't think it is any less accurate, but it certainly is not more. Individual samples will be more or less accurate than the norm, same as pretty much all factory rifles under $1500.

Second, if you think accuracy is #1 you are definitely not a seasoned rifleman. Certainly accuracy is very important up to a certain extent, say 1.5 MOA for a normal hunting rifle (exception made for a long range rig) but once it has achieved the 1.5 MOA threshold there are a whole host of characarstics that become more important. Chiefly is ergonomics and smoothness of feeding/cycling. The Axis falls flat here. Trigger is poor, but as you said can be fixed. There is also fit finish and quality factors that may not affect a hunt, but sure affect pride of ownership. I guess if a gun is just a tool for your hunt and nothing more, well than an axis will do; it is unlikely that a person who feels that way is practiced enough for the poor ergonomics and roughness to affect them anyways. For most on this website firearms are a hobby in themselves and a Axis just doesn't cut it.
 
Maybe you should learn what is needed from a hunting rifle before posting nonsense. First there is a difference between mechanical accuracy that can only be appreciated from a bench rest and field marksmanship, where the rifle is actually held by the hunter; there is nothing in the Axis design that benefits field marksmanship. The stock lacks stiffness, the comb barely takes the human form into consideration, and not only is the trigger poor, its non-adjustable. Game is not killed by shooting groups, and shooting groups is of no benefit when hunting. What is beneficial is the length of the shot string, that is the distance between the actual point of impact and the intended point of impact. If the two are in coincidence, life is indeed good. In this respect, thinking about realistic accuracy over normal hunting ranges, where the shot is as likely to be made off-hand as it is to be made from a low supported position, MOA is akin to measuring with a caliper and cutting with an axe.

The difference between shooting game and shooting paper is the open ended nature of the timing on a live target. The hunter cannot predict how long his target will remain motionless, so he shoots as quickly as his ability allows him to make a good shot. On a rifle range, a shooter is free to take his time, and break the shot when everything is just right. Even if he is shooting with an imposed time constraint, he knows how much time he has, and the paper target doesn't move, unless its really windy. If a game animal moves as the shot breaks, the hunter must rapidly reacquire his target before it makes cover, run the action as hard and fast as he can, while the rifle is at the shoulder, and break a follow-up shot, that hopefully accomplishes what is needed. That requires more from a rifle than the Axis can deliver. A stiff rifle action that causes the rifle to twist as the bolt handle is lifted, is not conducive to the fast follow up shots that can occur when hunting. A hunting rifle's sight should be in line with the hunter's eye, the moment his cheek hit the comb. The magazine catch should be secure and not prone to breakage even when subjected to the rough handling that might be inflicted upon a rifle in the field. The question is how far are you willing to stray from the ideal in order to obtain the deficient? Perfectly adequate and in some cases, an excellent hunting rifles can be acquired in the used market at attractive prices, one need only look at Tradex to get some idea.

There is a cost associated with hunting rifles, and while that cost can be minimized, it can only be minimized by giving up features and refinements. A rifle can be introduced to the market place at an attractive price, but if it lacks the features that define it as hunting rifle is, its not a hunting rifle, even though some may choose to hunt with it. It is possible to purchase an Axis, stabilize and reconfigure the stock or just replace it, replace the trigger with an adjustable trigger, polish the locking lugs, modify the magazine release, and install aftermarket iron sights. But instead of a budget priced rifle, the cost now is equal to that of a Ruger Scout, that can be unboxed, sighted in, and taken hunting, even without mounting a scope.


Wish I was as eloquent as Boomer and Dogleg. Thank you Boomer for the excellent post and hitting the nail on the head.

And I don't care if the rifle cost me $20 or $20,000, if it's sh!t, it's sh!t, and if it's good, great!
 
Shuvvitt and Axxis.
Had a Shuvvitt once, and only for a very short period of time..........very short.
Had an Axxis once too, and again, for a very short period of time.
See the co-incidence?
I'd take a good used car over a new Shuvvitt.
I'd take a good used rifle over a new Axxis.
See the difference?
 
First off where do you get the notion the Axis is more accurate than the average modern factory bolt action? It's not. I don't think it is any less accurate, but it certainly is not more. Individual samples will be more or less accurate than the norm, same as pretty much all factory rifles under $1500.

Second, if you think accuracy is #1 you are definitely not a seasoned rifleman. Certainly accuracy is very important up to a certain extent, say 1.5 MOA for a normal hunting rifle (exception made for a long range rig) but once it has achieved the 1.5 MOA threshold there are a whole host of characarstics that become more important. Chiefly is ergonomics and smoothness of feeding/cycling. The Axis falls flat here. Trigger is poor, but as you said can be fixed. There is also fit finish and quality factors that may not affect a hunt, but sure affect pride of ownership. I guess if a gun is just a tool for your hunt and nothing more, well than an axis will do; it is unlikely that a person who feels that way is practiced enough for the poor ergonomics and roughness to affect them anyways. For most on this website firearms are a hobby in themselves and a Axis just doesn't cut it.

I only claimed that the axis was no less accurate than many other rifles and some in higher price classes. As for fit and finish that is to each their own to decide for themselfs.
FYI a gun is a tool and nothing more. You don't sleep with it and it won't hug to and tell you it's ok when you miss.
And by the way if you enjoy the hobby of firearms the axis is a great gun to tinker around with for cheap.
 
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Maybe you should learn what is needed from a hunting rifle before posting nonsense. First there is a difference between mechanical accuracy that can only be appreciated from a bench rest and field marksmanship, where the rifle is actually held by the hunter; there is nothing in the Axis design that benefits field marksmanship. The stock lacks stiffness, the comb barely takes the human form into consideration, and not only is the trigger poor, its non-adjustable. Game is not killed by shooting groups, and shooting groups is of no benefit when hunting. What is beneficial is the length of the shot string, that is the distance between the actual point of impact and the intended point of impact. If the two are in coincidence, life is indeed good. In this respect, thinking about realistic accuracy over normal hunting ranges, where the shot is as likely to be made off-hand as it is to be made from a low supported position, MOA is akin to measuring with a caliper and cutting with an axe.

The difference between shooting game and shooting paper is the open ended nature of the timing on a live target. The hunter cannot predict how long his target will remain motionless, so he shoots as quickly as his ability allows him to make a good shot. On a rifle range, a shooter is free to take his time, and break the shot when everything is just right. Even if he is shooting with an imposed time constraint, he knows how much time he has, and the paper target doesn't move, unless its really windy. If a game animal moves as the shot breaks, the hunter must rapidly reacquire his target before it makes cover, run the action as hard and fast as he can, while the rifle is at the shoulder, and break a follow-up shot, that hopefully accomplishes what is needed. That requires more from a rifle than the Axis can deliver. A stiff rifle action that causes the rifle to twist as the bolt handle is lifted, is not conducive to the fast follow up shots that can be required when hunting. A hunting rifle's sight should be in line with the hunter's eye, the moment his cheek hit the comb. The magazine catch should be secure and not prone to breakage even when subjected to the rough handling that might be inflicted upon a rifle in the field. The question is how far are you willing to stray from the ideal in order to obtain the deficient? Perfectly adequate and in some cases, an excellent hunting rifles can be acquired in the used market at attractive prices, one need only look at Tradex to get some idea.

There is a cost associated with hunting rifles, and while that cost can be minimized, it can only be minimized by giving up features and refinements. A rifle can be introduced to the market place at an attractive price, but if it lacks the features that define it as hunting rifle is, its not a hunting rifle, even though some may choose to hunt with it. It is possible to purchase an Axis, stabilize and reconfigure the stock or just replace it, replace the trigger with an adjustable one, polish the locking lugs, modify the magazine release, and install aftermarket iron sights. But instead of a budget priced rifle, the cost now is equal to that of a Ruger Scout, that can be unboxed, sighted in, and taken hunting, even without mounting a scope.

You're spouting your opinion , as I am mine. As for the difference between shooting live game and paper targets. practice , experience and opportunity are generally what wins out in the game of filling ones game bags. The tool if it is capable it is many times inconsequential.
 
Curious as to why everyone gives the savage axis a hard time? I have one in .308 and for being a 400$ rifle I love the little thing. It is cheap feeling in the hands with that cheap plastic stock but performance wise it shoots better then most other more expensive rifles out of the box. After a few little diy jobs on them they can be a great little rifle.

I have three, .308, 22-250 and 25-06...... love them, the are accurate, reliable, light and the biggest? AFFORABLE. My Axis' will kill a dear just as dead as any 1k and up rifle but won't look as good doing it. Thinking of adding a fourth in 7mm-08 Rem.
 
Before I start have to argue with all on this thread that hate the axis. I am not implying that the axis is the be all and end all in modern rifles today. I am just defending the fact the although it may be cheaply made it seems to be a gun that many new hunters or occasional/ weekend warriors can have a good experience with.
I would encourage any one new to the sport or thinking of getting one to go out and pick a bunch of guns in the same economy class or even used firearm and decide what you like best.

MO is that there is nothing wrong with owing an axis and it is far from a hunk of junk that was fist implied on this thread
 
The axis is a adequate gun for the one weekend of the year hunter, who sights his gun in once in awhile and never practices. For this type of person the axis gives him a good price point, good accuracy and it will work in this role for many years. My wife is this type of hunter and her pink axis does her well.

But for those who say they shoot often and love an axis, you obviously haven't handled many decent firearms.

Then again it could be worse. It could be a Remington 770.
 
The axis is a adequate gun for the one weekend of the year hunter, who sights his gun in once in awhile and never practices. For this type of person the axis gives him a good price point, good accuracy and it will work in this role for many years. My wife is this type of hunter and her pink axis does her well.

But for those who say they shoot often and love an axis, you obviously haven't handled many decent firearms.

Then again it could be worse. It could be a Remington 770.

I would only add that if you are someone on a budget it can be a fun gun to tinker with.
 
I had an axis in 30-06 for two hunting seasons, I was young and inexperienced I thought I could save a few bucks with it and federal blue box. It did not work well for me.

Now I own a much better rifle and hand load premium projectiles. I could say that I learned alot in the last few years. Too bad I had to learn the hard way.

When you take time off work and spend money on travel, lodging, and food away from home, saving a few hundred dollars on a hunting rifle and bullets means nothing in the grand scheme. You say that you don't have the money, fine don't drink that away in beer, or make a small sacrifice somewhere in the budget. Invest in the hunt, you may only get one lifetime opportunity on that prized game animal... Don't squander it

If you just need something to shoot paper or a farm varmint then go for it fill your pockets.
 
I shot one side by side with a rem700 and my ruger gsr. You would never be able to pick out its target from the others unless I told you. When it comes down to it it's a plastic rifle that is cheap yes, but it does the job just fine for what it is. The stock isn't like spaghetti as some have claimed, sure it's not solid and flexes if you torque on it but I don't hold my gun like a retarded ape either. I know 4 people with them and none have failed, also the triggers are stupidly easy to rework. Some suggest buying a used sportered milsurp or something similar, which I personally agree with, but just as some on here look down on a lowly axis, I know lots of people look down buying older dinged up anything for that matter. The way I see it if gets new people or someone on a budget out hunting all the better.
 
The axis is a adequate gun for the one weekend of the year hunter, who sights his gun in once in awhile and never practices. For this type of person the axis gives him a good price point, good accuracy and it will work in this role for many years. My wife is this type of hunter and her pink axis does her well.

But for those who say they shoot often and love an axis, you obviously haven't handled many decent firearms.

Then again it could be worse. It could be a Remington 770.
This is true. I shoot a 116, and the more I do, the more annoying small things about it become. The Axis is fine, but with time its shortcomings vs more refined rifles become obvious. It's like clothes. Some are fine with coverage that looks crap and is uncomfortable. Others less so. Doesn't change their value as humans though.
 
^ I'm no snob but I wouldn't paddle a canoe with a savage axis

The axis does not shoot better than any other modern rifle; no offence but I get the feeling you haven't shot the competition if you feel this way.

Aesthetically and "fit" wise it is an abomination.

I'm not anti budget rifle; I am a well known supporter of the T3 against its legions of haters.

+1. The only thing i can think of in defense of the bast-rd step child, is that it gets people into the shooting sports. Personally, if you look on the EE, there are many better choices for the same money in a used firearm.
 
You're spouting your opinion , as I am mine. As for the difference between shooting live game and paper targets. practice , experience and opportunity are generally what wins out in the game of filling ones game bags. The tool if it is capable it is many times inconsequential.

Indeed I am, I am also supporting my argument, whereas you appear to have little knowledge of the use of the rifle beyond it's ability to print small groups on a target. I do agree though that success is benefited by experience and opportunity, and this is true of all human endeavors. I have no idea what you're intending to say in your last sentence. Oh by the way, on a wilderness hunt, you may indeed sleep with your rifle. To some, firearms are more a way of life than a hobby, but that's for another discussion.
 
I am starting to think the OP started this as a troll thread. We get asked why we dislike the Axis, we answer, we get insulted and berated for answering the question posed. Logic and common sense has left the building!!! Lol
 
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