Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?

One of my hobbies is going Garage Saleing on Saturday am. For a few years there was a consignment sporting goods store.....i would buy little kids skates for $3-5 and consign them for $35. I made a part time income.

The consignment store was close to half hockey gear, close to half bikes. $4000 bikes on consignment for $1500 or $800 bikes for $200. The guy still had to stock new Walmart quality $200 bikes. Some people did not like that the $800...now $200 bike had some scratches. So they bought the $200 bike....or two...and piled them on top of each other for the trip home.

For me the Axis is the $200 Walmart bike, gets you around. The decent guns on the EE or some sponsors are the $800 bike on for $200...and the EE is the consignment store....

Kinda long winded........at least it wasnt Lookinese...ish.
 
Cleftwynd said:
I am starting to think the OP started this as a troll thread. We get asked why we dislike the Axis, we answer, we get insulted and berated for answering the question posed. Logic and common sense has left the building!!! Lol
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upcoming ideas
"Why does everyone give Norinco a hard time?"
"Why does everyone give the mini 14 a hard time?"
"Why does everyone give Lee dies a hard time?"


a similar thread from 2 month ago :)
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1335502-Savage-Axis-negativity
 
I did not start this as a troll thread. Thanks for implying though. I started this out of curiosity. I have an axis and it turned into a little bit of a project gun to tinker around with to teach myself some things. Everywhere I look people are saying sell it and buy something you dont need to upgrade. Well that wasnt the idea, my idea was to tinker with it and have some fun, so I was just curious as to why everyone is saying they are junk. Mine has been nothing but great and I put it through some rough goings the last 2 years. So simply out of curiosity to see why they are "garbage". I agree they are put together cheaply but they work.
 
A couple of years ago I bought my Adult Son an Axis in 270 to replace his 303 that was on it's last legs.
He's tough on guns, wasn't going to spend a ton on something and at that time the Axis was one of the few reasonably priced rifles available.
Yup, not the best made, the stock is a bit sketchy, the package scope should be upgraded but heck, it shoots straight ( I shot it at the range and was very impressed ) and it's lasted him 3 or 4 years now without a problem.
Son In Law is taking up hunting now, he's left handed and I'm thinking of buying him an Axis, again in 270 as they are one of the very few lefties available for a reasonable price.
The Axis fill a niche, and fill it well.
 
My apologies to Trevor, I guess it was tongue in cheek, although poorly executed.

If I start a thread asking people "why", I shouldn't get annoyed when I get an answer, neither should anyone else. I know you haven't, but others seem to have an emotional need to jump on those that give their asked for opinion. No matter what the subject was about.
 
Boomer said:
Indeed I am, I am also supporting my argument, whereas you appear to have little knowledge of the use of the rifle beyond it's ability to print small groups on a target. I do agree though that success is benefited by experience and opportunity, and this is true of all human endeavors. I have no idea what you're intending to say in your last sentence. Oh by the way, on a wilderness hunt, you may indeed sleep with your rifle. To some, firearms are more a way of life than a hobby, but that's for another discussion.
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My last sentence means if you can shoot and the rifle is accurate then the gun you use is of little consequence.

As I stated earlier the Axis is definitely not the be all and end all in rifles, but it is far from what many have remarked as a Boat anchor. I would not necessarily counsel someone heading off to the mountains for a once in a lifetime hunt to go out and grab themselves an Axis. but if you are off for your one week a year deer hunt or a few days of predator calling the axis should do you just as well as any other rifle.

I stand by my statement that a rifles purpose for being is to deliver a projectile as accurately as possible to target. Not something to snuggle up to at night.

Answer me this and if you owned rifles you've owned one...felt great to carry, nice to swing etc... But you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. Is that a better rifle than the axis with its plastic stock and stiff trigger that drops 3 or 5 rounds into and inch or less at 100yrds
 
I tend to be sensitive to, and I would never discourage anybody from owning an entry-level rifle. The Axis is cheap, shoots straight, and is good enough for most hunting applications. Would I buy one? Not now. Why? Because I discovered vendors like Trade-ex that sell quality used and new rifles for about the same price or not much more. Personally, if I were starting over again and had a limited budget, I would purchase a used Mauser 98 or 96 sporter in good to very good condition, or a brand new Zastava for not much more. The later are excellent rifles that would last a lifetime. In fact, I keep navigating to the Trade-ex site and it's only a matter of time before I pick-up a 7x57 or 7x64 M98 commercial Zastava with a full wood stock. They look great, are solid as a boat-ancher, and are of heirloom quality. How long will $700 Zastava's last before the prices skyrocket?
 
cdn1canhunt said:
Answer me this and if you owned rifles you've owned one...felt great to carry, nice to swing etc... But you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. Is that a better rifle than the axis with its plastic stock and stiff trigger that drops 3 or 5 rounds into and inch or less at 100yrds
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Nope, your right it isn't the better rifle.

Answer me this, WHY accept anything less than a rifle that feels great to carry in the hand, nice to swing and puts 3-5 shots into 1" or less at 100y.

That's why "accuracy isn't everything"

Regardless, shoot what ya want. If it works for you awesome!

Now....... What's better an Axis in 308 or 30-06?.......... JK (please don't start answering this) ;)
 
heronfish said:
What exactly is this expensive rifle that somehow unable to shoot accurately?
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Many more expensive rifles' accuracy is limited by the operator; especially shooting from common hunting positions without external rests.

Note: we make a gentlemans agreement not to talk about this fact much because it makes our quest for "sniper accurate" hunting rifle seem like a poor investment.
 
cdn1canhunt said:
My last sentence means if you can shoot and the rifle is accurate then the gun you use is of little consequence.

As I stated earlier the Axis is definitely not the be all and end all in rifles, but it is far from what many have remarked as a Boat anchor. I would not necessarily counsel someone heading off to the mountains for a once in a lifetime hunt to go out and grab themselves an Axis. but if you are off for your one week a year deer hunt or a few days of predator calling the axis should do you just as well as any other rifle.

I stand by my statement that a rifles purpose for being is to deliver a projectile as accurately as possible to target. Not something to snuggle up to at night.

Answer me this and if you owned rifles you've owned one...felt great to carry, nice to swing etc... But you couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with it. Is that a better rifle than the axis with its plastic stock and stiff trigger that drops 3 or 5 rounds into and inch or less at 100yrds
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A rifle's purpose is not fulfilled simply by being accurate. If you want to take "romance" out of the equation, a rifle still needs to be durable and well designed.... The Axis is neither of these things.....

I don't know how much vacation you have a year, but I can tell you that I value mine.... I hunt likely 100+ days a year, but even if I didn't and was only a one week a year hunter I would want to make damn sure I owned something that wouldn't break and ruin that week.... having your deer hunt come to an end because the little plastic tab holding your mag in place snaps in the cold is not cool..... even worse when you lose your $50 plus tax and shipping mag. (Don't get me started on how the hell they can charge $50 for a mag for a $350 gun).....

As far as the notion goes, I don't own rifles that I can't hit the broad side of a barn with, there have been a few along the way that I couldn't shoot as well as I liked and they got passed along..... So where are all of these constant sub MOA Savage Axis you speak of?.... I have yet to see one....
 
Superbrad said:
A rifle's purpose is not fulfilled simply by being accurate. If you want to take "romance" out of the equation, a rifle still needs to be durable and well designed.... The Axis is neither of these things.....

I don't know how much vacation you have a year, but I can tell you that I value mine.... I hunt likely 100+ days a year, but even if I didn't and was only a one week a year hunter I would want to make damn sure I owned something that wouldn't break and ruin that week.... having your deer hunt come to an end because the little plastic tab holding your mag in place snaps in the cold is not cool..... even worse when you lose your $50 plus tax and shipping mag. (Don't get me started on how the hell they can charge $50 for a mag for a $350 gun).....

As far as the notion goes, I don't own rifles that I can't hit the broad side of a barn with, there have been a few along the way that I couldn't shoot as well as I liked and they got passed along..... So where are all of these constant sub MOA Savage Axis you speak of?.... I have yet to see one....
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Well said. Accuracy has and always will be an important determinant for me. Quality, equally so.
 
The Kurgan said:
Well said. Accuracy has and always will be an important determinant for me. Quality, equally so.
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An inaccurate rifle of any shape or form is useless, regardless of build quality.
But let's remember a hunting rifle that gives you a few inches at 100 yards is generally good enough.

This thread sure makes me appreciate my Husqvarnas that actually cost less than a new axis and are much better rifles.
 
heronfish said:
An inaccurate rifle of any shape or form is useless, regardless of build quality.
But let's remember a hunting rifle that gives you a few inches at 100 yards is generally good enough.

This thread sure makes me appreciate my Husqvarnas that actually cost less than a new axis and are much better rifles.
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Well said. A hunting rifle with a busted magazine, no matter how accurate (which the Axis isn't) is a very very poor single shot that would leave the Hunter wishing he had a tradex husky, a Zastava, a used Remington, used Sears and Roebuck, vanguard, or any other rifle. Especially when the other rifle has a better stock, trigger, magazine, scope mount, sling studs, receiver, extraction, ejection....


And has been asked hundreds of times on these forums, where are all these Axis that shoot sub MOA all day, post up the proof in the sticky created by underthegun!!!

And I'll ask as well, what are these expensive rifles that shoot so bad they pattern?
 
You guys are wasting your breath... until the guy shoots an accurate "quality" rifle, he cannot understand your argument.
 
The Kurgan said:
I tend to be sensitive to, and I would never discourage anybody from owning an entry-level rifle. The Axis is cheap, shoots straight, and is good enough for most hunting applications. Would I buy one? Not now. Why? Because I discovered vendors like Trade-ex that sell quality used and new rifles for about the same price or not much more. Personally, if I were starting over again and had a limited budget, I would purchase a used Mauser 98 or 96 sporter in good to very good condition, or a brand new Zastava for not much more. The later are excellent rifles that would last a lifetime. In fact, I keep navigating to the Trade-ex site and it's only a matter of time before I pick-up a 7x57 or 7x64 M98 commercial Zastava with a full wood stock. They look great, are solid as a boat-ancher, and are of heirloom quality. How long will $700 Zastava's last before the prices skyrocket?
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I see that most of their Zastava's are sold. Weird... it was only a few weeks ago that dozens were available. Still a few in 7x57 OP. :)
 
This made me think: would I take an axis on a hunt where it was my only rifle? Not a chance.
But would I take the 100 year old 38-55? In a heartbeat. She is no where near as accurate, but you can guarantee it will work every time. Accuracy ain't everything.
 
heronfish said:
This made me think: would I take an axis on a hunt where it was my only rifle? Not a chance.
But would I take the 100 year old 38-55? In a heartbeat. She is no where near as accurate, but you can guarantee it will work every time. Accuracy ain't everything.
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My Martini Cadet, built in 1912, with the original barrel, still shoots lights out and I would trust it anywhere. Shoots a lightweight cartridge, 32-20 (or reload to 30 Carbine power level), but I can take small game with ease and a sense of comfort knowing it will work every time.
 
Superbrad said:
A rifle's purpose is not fulfilled simply by being accurate. If you want to take "romance" out of the equation, a rifle still needs to be durable and well designed.... The Axis is neither of these things.....

I don't know how much vacation you have a year, but I can tell you that I value mine.... I hunt likely 100+ days a year, but even if I didn't and was only a one week a year hunter I would want to make damn sure I owned something that wouldn't break and ruin that week.... having your deer hunt come to an end because the little plastic tab holding your mag in place snaps in the cold is not cool..... even worse when you lose your $50 plus tax and shipping mag. (Don't get me started on how the hell they can charge $50 for a mag for a $350 gun).....

As far as the notion goes, I don't own rifles that I can't hit the broad side of a barn with, there have been a few along the way that I couldn't shoot as well as I liked and they got passed along..... So where are all of these constant sub MOA Savage Axis you speak of?.... I have yet to see one....
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I agree Brad durability is important. My son has had his axis for appx 5-6 years not a broken tab or lost mag. We hunt deer and coyotes through the winter etc. My brothers in laws have been using their axis's for 3-4 years hunting coyotes. We do coyotes drives every weekend walking wood lots and in and out of trucks, clips in and out all day long no issues, no cracked stocks, no busted swivel studs of any kind yet so durability seems decent.
I never said all axis are MOA either but all the ones I've witnessed have done MOA or a bit better from a bench . They can all ring a six inch steel plate at 200 yrds offhand....not every shot but I doubt many on this site can with their hunting guns either
 
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