Only because we don't make anything to last now. I shot sub MOA with a Savage 340 in 222 with an as old weaver K4 because it was built to last a 100 years even though it was an entry rifle.
Why does everyone give the axis a hard time?
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Only because we don't make anything to last now. I shot sub MOA with a Savage 340 in 222 with an as old weaver K4 because it was built to last a 100 years even though it was an entry rifle.
Wrong. The Axis might be disposable, but the M70, M77, Kimbers, Coopers, CZ's, non budget 700's, Sako's and on and on, are built as well as those 100 year old classics and will last as long when cared for the same.
I don't see anything wrong with the crop of $3-400 budget rifles for beginners who are not sure how far they want to take it or anyone who doesn't have much to spend.
The problem is when we have more experience with nicer rifles and then look at the budgets. It's kinda unfair really. Comparing say an Axis to a Tikka T3 is stupid.
The comparison I think is much more fair is to compare the budget rifles of years/decades ago to the budget rifles of today. For example .. I'd take a boat load of Remington Mohawk 600's over the Remington 783. Old budget / new budget.
About the only thing the budgets of today (783, Axis, Ruger American etc.) have going for them is they tend to shoot pretty well ... and that really comes down to the advent of CNC machines.
The problem is when we have more experience with nicer rifles and then look at the budgets. It's kinda unfair really. Comparing say an Axis to a Tikka T3 is stupid.
The comparison I think is much more fair is to compare the budget rifles of years/decades ago to the budget rifles of today. For example .. I'd take a boat load of Remington Mohawk 600's over the Remington 783. Old budget / new budget.
About the only thing the budgets of today (783, Axis, Ruger American etc.) have going for them is they tend to shoot pretty well ... and that really comes down to the advent of CNC machines.
It's nice that someone brought up the 340. What an utter disaster that thing is.
2x4 quality stock, bluing that didn't last, side scope mount and bloody barrel band on a bolt action rifle. Sure some of them shot straight, but you can do so much better.
I can't believe people own those things, let alone brag about them. The 80s axis.
2x4 quality stock, bluing that didn't last, side scope mount and bloody barrel band on a bolt action rifle. Sure some of them shot straight, but you can do so much better.
I can't believe people own those things, let alone brag about them. The 80s axis.
I fully agree with this...... I have seen way less threads here questioning many of those brands......that should tell a buyer something...
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Well aren't you just an angry little troll. Let's see side mount scope, M1Garand Sniper, a whole bunch of expensive Mannichlicer. Screwed in barrel, Model 70. Entry level rifles serve a purpose of bringing new shooters, they are find for their purpose and tge survivors make interesting niche collectibles.
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So out of the current crop of budgets, what do you guys think is the best one ?
NOT including the Vanguard S2. Clearly the best but also more money.
Haven't handled one yet but from online info looks like the best contender might be the Ruger American.
NOT including the Vanguard S2. Clearly the best but also more money.
Haven't handled one yet but from online info looks like the best contender might be the Ruger American.
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Got a $1000? You would be WELL served by a Tikka T3 !
They're not really a budget rifle, more of an affordable quality rifle. Highly recommended.
Out of the box, they shoot LIGHTS OUT!
There's a few glass reinforced polymer parts, but these are strong and never an issue.
Over time, those parts could be "upgraded", but not necessary.
Comparing an Axis to a Tikka T3 is like comparing a Yugo to a Toyota--not quite a Lexus, but has the same bones.
They're not really a budget rifle, more of an affordable quality rifle. Highly recommended.
Out of the box, they shoot LIGHTS OUT!
There's a few glass reinforced polymer parts, but these are strong and never an issue.
Over time, those parts could be "upgraded", but not necessary.
Comparing an Axis to a Tikka T3 is like comparing a Yugo to a Toyota--not quite a Lexus, but has the same bones.
I'd tier them....based on how much you are willing to spend.
Sub $300 would be the Axis.....solely because it is the only one you can get for under $300 when you hit a sale and take advantage of the $50US mail in rebate.
Sub $400 the 783.
Sub $500 the Ruger American.
Sub $525 Howa's and Vanguards on sale which seems to be pretty frequently.
The best VALUE out of those are the Howa/Vanguard series by far. It's hard to even put them in the same category as they are built so much better then the rest of those I mentioned.
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What about the TC Venture?
No experience with the Venture, never even handled one....
I did play with a "Dimension" at SAIL that was in .223 and on for $525, pretty smooth action, ergonomics much better then it looks. In the end I could not get over the fugly....Venture looks much better.
I'd suggest cognitive dissonance, the theory suggest its the subliminal (so most of us are consciously unaware) process wherein a person is asked to change an opinion or pick a side or team, or us (team Axis) v.s. them (anyone who doesn't own an Axis). It may also involve the defense of a choice a person may have made in the past when they purchased a different brand of rifle, so they get defensive or even angry if challenged, again the process is somewhat subliminal but can the level of response manifested can as we all know be very passionate. The same process where by fan's cheer for a local team and pride in them winning and angry when they lose, all in all it's just human nature and all very superficial. To someone who isn't aware of these processes taking place in people when confronted by a strongly counter opinionated person the confrontation can be very confusion and off putting. When people learn about this process they may tend to be less opinionated on a topic where they don't have a broad base of experience to make an educated guess.
Then again it could just boil down to the way the horrible Axis stocks feel.... (kidding ; )
Then again it could just boil down to the way the horrible Axis stocks feel.... (kidding ; )
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The Axis rifle is the epitome of "It is what it is"
It's not a heirloom rifle, it's not one to take on an extensive backcountry hunt, but it's accurate and functions okay. I've got one in .223 that I bought as a loaner cheap handy coyote predator defense rifle. I left it with the farmer where we used to pasture our sheep, as he only had his hunting rifle-a 303 and a 22 and the yotes were often at 200 yards. He killed several yotes and one bear with it. We don't have that pasture anymore so the .223 is now for sale, but that's because I have at least 4 other .223 rifles.
Axis are accurate Junk.
Although frankly, I bet most hunters could hunt with one and still bring home the same amount of game.
It's not a heirloom rifle, it's not one to take on an extensive backcountry hunt, but it's accurate and functions okay. I've got one in .223 that I bought as a loaner cheap handy coyote predator defense rifle. I left it with the farmer where we used to pasture our sheep, as he only had his hunting rifle-a 303 and a 22 and the yotes were often at 200 yards. He killed several yotes and one bear with it. We don't have that pasture anymore so the .223 is now for sale, but that's because I have at least 4 other .223 rifles.
Axis are accurate Junk.
Although frankly, I bet most hunters could hunt with one and still bring home the same amount of game.
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I took my axis .223 out this afternoon and blew up a bunch of Tannerite..
It was a blast... lol
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A "true" Gunnut likes all guns..
Some a bit more than others but in the end all guns are cool.....Right?
Some a bit more than others but in the end all guns are cool.....Right?
